Science has discovered God (atheism, Neanderthal, exist, religion)
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Still haven't watched it yet, have you? He addressed it. He pointed out that science today believes is willing to suspend common sense in order to make their hypothesis work.
I haven't watched it either. I tried, but your link is dead.
I haven't watched it either. I tried, but your link is dead.
It worked for me. You're not missing much. I tried it a minute ago. It's five minutes of someone saying things you probably already know, or that you don't need to know.
Basically the narrator talks about how before the Big Bang Theory, science didn't tell that the universe had a beginning, and that the Big Bang happened because of the laws of nature, and so the laws of nature existed before the universe. He calls that God (Fine whatever. God can be a baked potato for all I care). Then he falls off the deep end and describes that as the Biblical God, in a mighty leap equivalent to the spoken version of attempting to jump to the moon using a trampoline.
It worked for me. You're not missing much. I tried it a minute ago. It's five minutes of someone saying things you probably already know, or that you don't need to know.
Basically the narrator talks about how before the Big Bang Theory, science didn't tell that the universe had a beginning, and that the Big Bang happened because of the laws of nature, and so the laws of nature existed before the universe. He calls that God (Fine whatever. God can be a baked potato for all I care). Then he falls off the deep end and describes that as the Biblical God, in a mighty leap equivalent to the spoken version of attempting to jump to the moon using a trampoline.
You forgot that the entire beginning was talking about himself. Speaking of beginnings, anyone know of a creation story that would not have a beginning?
You forgot that the entire beginning was talking about himself. Speaking of beginnings, anyone know of a creation story that would not have a beginning?
I would have preferred if he'd ditched the personal qualifications and replaced it with a larger explanation...and really, if everyone on the planet did the same thing.
The idea that God is the forces of nature that existed before the universe is nothing new, and yet people trumpet that as some wondrous revelation. Well done then. They're not 100% wrong so far. Whatever the universe came from seems to have a few characteristics of monotheistic gods.
However, saying that means a god exists is like saying: "I have feet. The Abominable Snowman has feet too. Therefore the Abominable Snowman exists."
Saying that means the God of the Bible exists is like saying: "I have feet. The Abominable Snowman has feet too. That means The Abominable Snowman exists, and he lives in Russia, and loves nothing more than a good Vodka, and the people who say he's in the Himalayas are dirty liars."
Now, maybe he has some greater explanation he hasn't gone into yet. He says he has more to say at some point during the second half of his speech...but why should anyone believe that anything more he has to say is valuable? Either he or the website his video is on has already seemed to have pulled a bait n' switch. Why wouldn't he just pull another? The video describes a way one definition of god exists...although, I don't know why that information would be valuable to anyone, unless they merely are searching for something with some godly characteristics to label god, because atheists could believe in that definition of god and still be atheists. Nowhere in that definition was sentience, or the ability to plan, or sense, or think, or create at will, or live, or have intentions, or experience.
Perhaps, but Hawking is showing how there doesn't need to be some sentient creator who fashioned the universe with specific intent. Deity-worshipers always insist that an intelligent creator (usually the god of their chosen religion) was necessary as the first cause. Hawking showed that, nope, that isn't necessarily true.
A) "Science" has not discovered god. The presentation represents the opinion of one person, not the scientific community.
B) The statement "that is the Bible definition of god" is false. The Bible goes far beyond a simple creator to set things in motion. It goes on to describe an entity with specific characteristics, specific motivations, and a specific program for the humans it supposedly created.
Stephen Hawking says that the Universe doesn't require God to exist.
"The 'god' that Stephen Hawking is trying to debunk is not the creator God of the Abrahamic faiths who really is the ultimate explanation for why there is something rather than nothing," said Denis Alexander.
"Hawking's god is a god-of-the-gaps used to plug present gaps in our scientific knowledge.
"Science provides us with a wonderful narrative as to how [existence] may happen, but theology addresses the meaning of the narrative," said Alexander, director of The Faraday Institute for Science and Religion.
And Fraser Watts, an Anglican priest and Cambridge expert in the history of science, said that it's not the existence of the universe that proves the existence of God.
But, he said, "a creator God provides a reasonable and credible explanation of why there is a universe, and ... it is somewhat more likely that there is a God than that there is not. That view is not undermined by what Hawking has said." - http://www.city-data.com/forum/newre...ply&p=40515070
"a creator God provides a reasonable and credible explanation of why there is a universe, and ... it is somewhat more likely that there is a God than that there is not. That view is not undermined by what Hawking has said." - http://www.city-data.com/forum/newre...ply&p=40515070
This view is just a view, nothing more than declaration that has never been demonstrated.
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