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Old 01-18-2016, 01:07 AM
 
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It's exactly what I was looking for.

You can bet that if only 30% of Americans have a college degree that this number is lower in Mexico. Then add on the fact that they are leaving Mexico by the millions. Simply look at the number of legal and illegal Mexican immigrants we have in our country that barely speak English or have higher education skills.

There is no credible data that I could find supporting how many people in Mexico have a college education.

No you won't find a majority of bible thumpers in Israel. They put out some of the brightest STEM folks on the planet. Most Americans have no idea what Israel is about...they only know what they see on Fox news...believe me it does not represent Israel as a whole.

In 2010 a report released by the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics showed that:
  • 8% of Israel's Jewish population defines itself as ultra-Orthodox
  • 12% as Orthodox
  • 13% as traditional-religious
  • 25% as traditional
  • 42% as secular, on a descending scale of religiosity.

LOL! It's you that's holding onto the false correlation that education has nothing to do with bible thumping.
You do know that you are arguing with a Rabbi, don't you?...Someone who would know better of what's going on in Israel...
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Old 01-18-2016, 01:30 AM
 
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Let's get this thread back on track.

60 Percent of Young Icelanders with University Degree

Makes sense to me why they view religion as they do.

0.0% of Icelanders 25 years or younger believe God created the world, new poll reveals
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Old 01-18-2016, 01:32 AM
 
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The churched who reject God in early life sometimes fall back on that in later life when their mortality approaches (it's almost a cliche).
Funny that isn't it? That people who see no reason to think there is a god suddenly do when either desperate, mentally or intellectually compromised, or otherwise terrified out of coherence.

What does that tell you about belief in a god I wonder.
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Old 01-18-2016, 01:38 AM
 
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Mexico is still not a very educated country as a whole even though they made the list. What should be most alarming to you is that Mexico made the list but the US did not. That really should be the big take away.
When you make the claim that Israel is full of bible thumpers it tells me that you don't know what you are talking about. I work in the science profession and I work among some of the brightest STEM folks from Israel. Never once have they ever mentioned religion. If fact my partner also works in Silicon Valley and works with some of the brightest STEM folks from Israel...no bible thumpers. He had to do some work in Israel with his group of engineers. I accompanied him to Tel-Aviv and Kfar Saba...never once encountered a bible thumper there.
Jews generally don't talk religion with other folks, especially goyim, our relationship with G-d is, well, between the individual and G-d...Jews will generally not argue religion...

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Again, Mexico is still not a very educated country as a whole even though they made the list.

Just becasue Mexico moved up from 24% in 2002 to 25% in 2012...does not equate to 25% of their population holding STEM degrees.

The ranking is based on the percentage of science, technology, engineering, or math (STEM) degrees awarded per capita of people receiving degrees.
These are the 10 most educated countries in the world.

10. Finland
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 37%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 1.8% (3rd lowest)
> GDP per capita: $36,585 (14th highest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 3.15% (10th lowest)

Finland is a small country relative to the other OECD members. The share of its adult population with some sort of postsecondary education, however, is rather large. This select group is reaching the end of its expansion. From 1999 to 2009, the number of college-educated adults increased only 1.8% annually — the third-smallest amount among all OECD countries. Finland is also one of only two countries, the other being Korea, in which the fields of social sciences, business and law are not the most popular among students. In Finland, new entrants are most likely to study engineering, manufacturing and construction.

9. Australia
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 37%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 3.3% (11th lowest)
> GDP per capita: $40,719 (6th highest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 14.63% (3rd highest)

Australia’s population grew 14.63% between 2000 and 2009. This is the third-largest increase among OECD countries. Its tertiary-educated adult population is increasing at the much less impressive annual rate of 3.3%. Australia also spends the sixth-least amount in public funds on education as a percentage of all expenditures. The country also draws large numbers of international students.

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8. United Kingdom
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 37%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 4.0% (9th highest)
> GDP per capita: $35,504 (16th highest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 3.47% (13th lowest)

Unlike most of the countries with the highest percentage of educated adults, the UK’s educated group increased measurably — more than 4% between 1999 and 2009. Its entire population only grew 3.5% between 2000 and 2009. One aspect that the UK does share with a number of other countries on this list is relatively low public expenditure on education institutions as a percentage of all educational spending. As of 2008, 69.5% of spending came from public sources — the fourth-smallest amount among OECD countries.

7. Norway
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 37%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): N/A
> GDP per capita: $56,617 (2nd highest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 7.52% (14th highest)

Norway has the third-greatest expenditure on educational institutions as a percentage of GDP, at 7.3%. Roughly 23% of that is spent on tertiary education. In Norway, more than 60% of all tertiary graduates were in a bachelor’s program, well more than the U.S., which is close to the OECD average of 45%. The country is one of the wealthiest in the world. GDP per capita is $56,617, second only to Luxembourg in the OECD.

6. South Korea
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 39%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 5.3% (5th highest)
> GDP per capita: $29,101 (13th lowest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 3.70% (14th lowest)

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Korea is another standout country for its recent increase in the percentage of its population that has a tertiary education. Graduates increased 5.3% between 1999 and 2009, the fifth-highest among OECD countries. Like the UK, this rate is greater than the country’s recent population growth. Korea is also one of only two countries — the other being Finland — in which the most popular fields of study are not social sciences, business and law. In Korea, new students choose to study education, humanities and arts at the greatest rates. Only 59.6% of expenditures on educational institutions come from public funds — the second-lowest rate.

5. New Zealand
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 40%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 3.5% (14th lowest)
> GDP per capita: $29,871 (14th lowest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 11.88% (8th largest)

New Zealand is not a particularly wealthy country. GDP per capita is less than $30,000, and is the 14th lowest in the OECD. However, 40% of the population engages in tertiary education, the fifth-highest rate in the world. The country actually has a rapidly growing population, increasing 11.88% between 2000 and 2009. This was the eighth-largest increase in the OECD. Part of the reason for the high rate of tertiary graduates is the high output from secondary schools. More than 90% of residents graduate from secondary school.

4. United States
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 41%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 1.4% (the lowest)
> GDP per capita: $46,588 (4th highest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 8.68% (12th highest)

The U.S. experienced a fairly large growth in population from 2000 to 2009. During the period, the population increased 8.68% — the 12th highest among OECD countries. Meanwhile, the rate at which the share of the population with a tertiary education is growing has slowed to an annual rate of 1.4% — the lowest among the 34 OECD countries. Just 71% of funding for educational institutions in the country comes from public funds, placing the U.S. sixth-lowest in this measure. Among OECD countries, the largest share of adults with a tertiary education live in the United States — 25.8%.

3. Japan
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 44%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 3.2% (10th lowest)
> GDP per capita: $33,751 (17th lowest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 0.46% (6th lowest)

In Japan, 44% of the adult population has some form of tertiary education. The U.S. by comparison has a rate of 41%. Japan’s population increased just 0.46% between 2000 and 2009, the sixth-slowest growth rate in the OECD, and the slowest among our list of 10. Japan is tied with Finland for the third-highest upper-secondary graduation rate in the world, at 95%. It has the third-highest tertiary graduation rate in the world, but only spends the equivalent of 1.5% of GDP on tertiary education — the 17th lowest rate in the OECD.

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2. Israel
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 45%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): N/A
> GDP per capita: $28,596 (12th lowest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 19.02% (the highest)

Although there is no data on the percentage of Israeli citizens with postsecondary education dating back to 1999, the numbers going back to 2002 show that growth is slowing dramatically compared to other countries. In fact, in 2006, 46% of adults ages 25 to 64 had a tertiary education. In 2007 this number fell to 44%. Only 78% of funds spent on educational institutions in Israel are public funds. The country is also only one of three — the other two being Ireland and Sweden — where expenditure on educational institutions as a proportion of GDP decreased from 2000 to 2008. Israel also had the largest increase in overall population, approximately 19% from 2000 to 2009.

1. Canada
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 50%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 2.3% (5th lowest)
> GDP per capita: $39,070 (10th highest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 9.89% (10th highest)

In Canada, 50% of the adult population has completed tertiary education, easily the highest rate in the OECD. Each year, public and private expenditure on education amount to 2.5% of GDP, the fourth-highest rate in the world. Tertiary education spending accounts for 41% of total education spending in the country. In the U.S., the proportion is closer to 37%. In Israel, the rate is 22%. In Canada, nearly 25% of students have an immigrant background.

- http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-10...the-world.html


Israeli answer:
Only 40% of Israelis define themselves as secular; and even among those, many believe in God.

- What percentage of Jews in Israel are atheist
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Old 01-18-2016, 01:39 AM
 
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Thanks for wasting your time...we have already gone over this. Perhaps you need to go back and read my links and posts.

Covered already!


Here's how 10 of the smartest countries in the world stack up when it comes to science degrees

In 2010 a report released by the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics showed that:

8% of Israel's Jewish population defines itself as ultra-Orthodox
12% as Orthodox
13% as traditional-religious
25% as traditional
42% as secular, on a descending scale of religiosity.
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Old 01-18-2016, 01:59 AM
 
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This thread is about Iceland and their educated population that has no interest in being involved in religion.
No...This is what the OP said and it had nothing to do with the education of the people of Iceland, it had to do with the age demographics...

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The poll found an even more dramatic difference between different generations when it probed how people believed the world had been created. Of those younger than 25 93.9% said the world had been created in the big bang and 0.0% believed God had created the world.

Do YOU see anything in the quote above that says education???...


This is what you said:


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Well it's obvious to me why Iceland has more people who are more sensible and use their noggin compared to the US population.

60% of them hold a degree where as only 30% of Americans hold one. Yepper "Amuurcia" has a mostly college uneducated population running around thumping their bible.

Having little to no education goes hand in hand with bible thumping.

60 Percent of Young Icelanders with University Degree | Iceland Review

We are in big trouble. America did not even land in the top 30

So, it is obvious to anyone reading this thread that it was YOU who introduced the question of education...
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Old 01-18-2016, 02:04 AM
 
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No...This is what the OP said and it had nothing to do with the education of the people of Iceland, it had to do with the age demographics...
You clearly don't know what's going on. The OP posted this link:0.0% of Icelanders 25 years or younger believe God created the world, new poll reveals

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So, it is obvious to anyone reading this thread that it was YOU who introduced the question of education...
Really...you fail miseraly! The OP posted this link in the very first post.

0.0% of Icelanders 25 years or younger believe God created the world, new poll reveals

Yes I introduced the education part into it. Why? Because there is plenty of data that supports the fact that the more educated the population the less religion the follow. It goes hand in hand and fits perfectly.

It is a fact that is supported by DATA that the less educated people are the ones who follow religion. It makes perfect sense to me why so many Icelanders have abandoned region. They have a highly educated population.

60 Percent of Young Icelanders with University Degree

I think you need to take a deep breath and get your act together. You are also coming across as very obtuse and ridiculous.
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Old 01-18-2016, 02:15 AM
 
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You have paraded you math ignorance long enough.

I made a claim that was spot on! All you have to do is look at the data then engage your brain to figure it out...helps if you have a STEM degree or are just good at math.

You clearly don't understand per capita.

Let's take Mexico's population 125 Million. Let's be generous and say that 30% of them have a 4 year degree That would come out to be 37.5 Million. 25% of that 37.5 Million have a STEM degree. So you take 25% of that 37.5 Million to get 9.3 Million who are earning a STEM. This comes to a grand total of 8% of the population in Mexico receiving a STEM degree.

Do the same for the US 319 Million. 30% have degrees = 95.7 Million and only 16% of that have STEM degree's which gives us 15.3 Million who have a STEM degree. Which is only 5% of the US population.

See how that works. All you have to do is understand the data and it matches right along the lines of what I was said. Less education goes hand in hand with bible thumping.


It's your ignorance about Israel that was paraded. Israel is not full of bible thumpers as you claimed.

Let's go over this again.

In 2010 a report released by the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics showed that:
  • 8% of Israel's Jewish population defines itself as ultra-Orthodox
  • 12% as Orthodox
  • 13% as traditional-religious
  • 25% as traditional
  • 42% as secular, on a descending scale of religiosity.

I know exactly what I am talking about...you need to expand your horizons and get out and learn more about their culture and religion...perhaps you can do this when you visit.



I have certainly paid attention and you have been wrong on every single point that you have been foaming at the mouth about.


In summary: It's been proven through data that the less educated you are the more likely you are a bible thumper. The data does not lie.

I will take it one step further...the less educated you are in STEM the more likely you are a bible thumper.

How education makes people less religious—and less superstitious, too

Good grief, you are working off of old data...
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Old 01-18-2016, 02:17 AM
 
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Good grief, you are working off of old data...
Funny it's more current than your data.

Everything you posted in post #65 is older than the data that I used. You're a pathetic joke.

I see what your game is. Go ahead and knock yourself out.

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Old 01-18-2016, 03:37 AM
 
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No, he didn't...
Yes he did. These are his words.

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I should expand my horizons to learn more about Jewish culture and religion? Gosh, and here I am, an Orthodox Rabbi in the US with much family in Israel, and I thought I knew about Judaism. So glad you are here to teach me.
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No...You haven't...
Yes I have. Who are you to tell me what I have or have not witnessed?
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