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yup, when you don't have to prove it, just make up anything. like "nothing" and omni-dude. both are silly. Now when we have to have something to support it a claim, the only rational answer is "something". After that do what ya want, thats not my area. fight between your made up beliefs.
yup, when you don't have to prove it, just make up anything. like "nothing" and omni-dude. both are silly. Now when we have to have something to support it a claim, the only rational answer is "something". After that do what ya want, thats not my area. fight between your made up beliefs.
You don't need "made up beliefs" AA.
There is "something"-- EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING obviously objectively exists...and certainly has the known attributes (ineffable size, scope, power, etc.) that are definitive of "God".
Pantheism. God is ALL. The "do all" ideology!!
We aren't the ones that are preaching the abiogenesis fairy tale and calling it "science".
No, we're just supposed to believe in literal magic. I mean literal magic.
Magic from a wizard no one has ever seen ... at least no one credible.
Instead, we're supposed to believe instead something like, "Derpy derpy dee, hmm, what to do today. Oh, I know! After an infinite amount of time hanging around doing nothing within nothing, I'll create a universe!"
"There! Now ... I have this finely tuned universe designed specifically for humans. Now I need to create humans because after hanging around within an infinity of nothingness for an infinite amount of time, I need love and worship and people to boss around and kill when they displease me."
"Ta da! All done ... WHAT? She ate from the damn tree ALREADY?!?! That does it!
"Everyone's punished. Adam. Eve. All of your future babies. The snake. I'm even going to make some of the animals, not all of them, but some of the animals meat-eaters. You're all going to be punished because I'm God, dammit! And I get really cranky after spending an eternity sitting around in an infinite nothingness doing nothing infinitely for an infinite amount of time! And if you think I'm mean now, just wait until there are even more people around to kill ..."
Yeah, that's what we're supposed to believe instead. And before you growl and claim my little narrative is silly, really ask yourself ... is it? Is it REALLY silly? Because nothing I had God say in that narrative is untrue. THAT is precisely what we are expected to believe, and while God may not have said those words verbatim, those concepts are as true as any word spoken or written in the Bible.
No thanks. You can keep your blood thirsty Bronze Age tribal god. I'll take the science.
Yet another thread of insults, personal attacks and calling theists fools. Can you guess why I no longer post here ( with one recent exception)?
You have to see it as entertainment. And if you work it right...you can instigate some really great amusing stuff! You hafta adjust your perspective.
Com'on, man...you've been around here as long as I have. You're part of this place. Your posts are great.
Stick around.
Because the God Who said He created the universe is also the same God who prophesied thousands of years prior to His Son coming to this earth that He would fulfill those prophetic statements in such and such a fashion. Since Christ did fulfill those prophecies, God is good for His word that He did in fact create the heavens and earth and all that is in them and will one day save all mankind.
I've always found it amusing that the guys who wrote the book (the jews) can't seem to find all these "prophecies" that Jesus fulfilled. You'd think since it's so obvious, that they would notice..
No, we're just supposed to believe in literal magic. I mean literal magic.
Magic from a wizard no one has ever seen ... at least no one credible.
Instead, we're supposed to believe instead something like, "Derpy derpy dee, hmm, what to do today. Oh, I know! After an infinite amount of time hanging around doing nothing within nothing, I'll create a universe!"
"There! Now ... I have this finely tuned universe designed specifically for humans. Now I need to create humans because after hanging around within an infinity of nothingness for an infinite amount of time, I need love and worship and people to boss around and kill when they displease me."
"Ta da! All done ... WHAT? She ate from the damn tree ALREADY?!?! That does it!
"Everyone's punished. Adam. Eve. All of your future babies. The snake. I'm even going to make some of the animals, not all of them, but some of the animals meat-eaters. You're all going to be punished because I'm God, dammit! And I get really cranky after spending an eternity sitting around in an infinite nothingness doing nothing infinitely for an infinite amount of time! And if you think I'm mean now, just wait until there are even more people around to kill ..."
Yeah, that's what we're supposed to believe instead. And before you growl and claim my little narrative is silly, really ask yourself ... is it? Is it REALLY silly? Because nothing I had God say in that narrative is untrue. THAT is precisely what we are expected to believe, and while God may not have said those words verbatim, those concepts are as true as any word spoken or written in the Bible.
No thanks. You can keep your blood thirsty Bronze Age tribal god. I'll take the science.
Or the best one: That the universe has always existed and wasn't created.
Explain why it couldn't have always existed in some form or other.
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So true. 
