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Old 04-25-2016, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Townsville
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There have been many studies on this....

Sexual assault is among the crimes which are least likely to be reported to the police. The 1999 General Social Survey (GSS) on Victimization found 78% of sexual assaults were not reported to the police. In addition, incidents of sexual assault are not always reported immediately after the offence has taken place. In some cases, sexual offences are reported long after the incident has occurred.

3. Statistics on Sexual Assault (cont'd) - Bill C-46: Records Applications Post-Mills, A Caselaw Review
Well, stats of all kinds can be bandied around until the cows come home. What are we supposed to do with this information?
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Old 04-25-2016, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Townsville
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I would wager that there are a hell of a lot more that offend and re-offend, but never get caught...I'll also bet that Hopper will end up back where he belongs...In prison......They walk among us all the time..
Paranoia has really taken a hold in the U.S. it would seem. It's a wonder any of you can leave your homes without the fear of being molested or raped. What a healthy climate the media has created!

The bolded part ...such nonsense as well as a totally unwarranted thing to say. This man does not belong in jail if he hasn't committed a crime. Paranoia and lack of reasoning skills at work again. As for your betting that Hopper finishes up in jail again ...the judicial system doesn't operate on betting games. They don't give a hoot what you might bet. The man was freed on the 'say so' of both professional and non-professional people.

Geez ...some of you guys are making me look more intelligent by the post. Thanks ...
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Old 04-25-2016, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Well, stats of all kinds can be bandied around until the cows come home. What are we supposed to do with this information?
Every country I checked have similar stats. I could care less what you do with the info, but I'm assuming your bias will cause you to ignore them.

How on earth can you defend a man who raped a child at knife point is beyond me.
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Old 04-25-2016, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Paranoia has really taken a hold in the U.S. it would seem. It's a wonder any of you can leave your homes without the fear of being molested or raped. What a healthy climate the media has created!

The bolded part ...such nonsense as well as a totally unwarranted thing to say. This man does not belong in jail if he hasn't committed a crime. Paranoia and lack of reasoning skills at work again. As for your betting that Hopper finishes up in jail again ...the judicial system doesn't operate on betting games. They don't give a hoot what you might bet. The man was freed on the 'say so' of both professional and non-professional people.

Geez ...some of you guys are making me look more intelligent by the post. Thanks ...
This is not the only crime this guy has been charged with....You do know that by far most rapists walk, right?

He was released after serving 10 years in prison, but would be arrested multiple times in the early 2000s for a string of criminal violations. Kentucky pastor defends hiring of convicted sex offender:
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Old 04-26-2016, 12:04 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Every country I checked have similar stats. I could care less what you do with the info, but I'm assuming your bias will cause you to ignore them.

How on earth can you defend a man who raped a child at knife point is beyond me.
Not only defending him, much worse, impugning that the 13 year old child was just as much to blame, likening people like her to the 'tramps' he knew of that age, which makes one wonder how Romulus actually could make such a judgement.

He is such a spin master he should be working for the Trump campaign, considering that he says the congregation knew about Hopper's crimes and accepted him.

No they didn't, how could they? I showed a screen shot of the church's website bio of Hopper. Not one mention of any criminal convictions or time served. The only one who knew was the pastor. I also showed links that documented people who left that church as a result of the deception by omission.
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:38 AM
 
Location: Townsville
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Every country I checked have similar stats. I could care less what you do with the info, but I'm assuming your bias will cause you to ignore them.

How on earth can you defend a man who raped a child at knife point is beyond me.
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Not only defending him, much worse, impugning that the 13 year old child was just as much to blame, likening people like her to the 'tramps' he knew of that age, which makes one wonder how Romulus actually could make such a judgement.

He is such a spin master he should be working for the Trump campaign, considering that he says the congregation knew about Hopper's crimes and accepted him.

No they didn't, how could they? I showed a screen shot of the church's website bio of Hopper. Not one mention of any criminal convictions or time served. The only one who knew was the pastor. I also showed links that documented people who left that church as a result of the deception by omission.
*sigh* ...you're both as silly as one another. Really. Actually, I find you, cupper, an embarrassment. Your red-in-the-face tantrums, your name calling and your fanciful exaggerations about me ...what I'm supposed to have said, that I'm 'pro-rape', that I blame the victim and so forth are just juvenile attempts to bully ...school-yard stuff.

No one that I know of has ever 'defended' what Hopper might have done. Again, our only sources are the tabloids. And we all know (or those of us with brains should know anyway) that all the tabloids are after is sensationalism. They sure did a number on you, cupper! But, as obsessive as you are, I would say that you're very susceptible to such things because this is clearly what you get off on. One need not be a Rhodes Scholar to figure this out. If Hopper did what he was charged with and was sentenced to prison for ten years then let's call him a bastard and be done with it. He's a bastard, okay?

The FACTS for the millionth time.

Hopper is now free to live in society as are the rest of us. The same as many other previously convicted sex offenders who (gasp) "walk among us" as your buddy sanspeur said ...cue in the Twilight Zone theme. And, many will 'walk among us' and we will never know because they will never re-offend. You DO realize, do you not, that many don't re-offend?

By the way, some food for thought. How do you know that the 13 year-old girl (now a woman) hasn't moved on? How do you know that she wouldn't appreciate your keeping her perpetually tagged as 'a victim'? How do you know she hasn't forgiven Hopper? Maybe she's a Christian or maybe she will become a Christian. And, if so, forgiveness might be par for the course. See, you don't know. You just think you know. All you know is what you (and I) have gotten from unofficial web sites that pretty much contain the same crud about a pastor who, stupidly, gave them a sensational story to milk.

This story will eventually die a natural death. But, just hang in there, cupper ...tomorrow is another day. There'll be another sensationalist tabloid story for you to run with just as you did with this one. Then, the wolves will move in yet again for the attack.

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Old 04-26-2016, 10:47 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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*sigh* ...you're both as silly as one another. Really. Actually, I find you, cupper, an embarrassment. Your red-in-the-face tantrums, your name calling and your fanciful exaggerations about me ...what I'm supposed to have said, that I'm 'pro-rape', that I blame the victim and so forth are just juvenile attempts to bully ...school-yard stuff.


YOU are the one who told the story of all those 13 year old seductive 'tramps' you knew. YOU were the one who jump thigh deep in support of the convicted, criminal, felon who raped a young girl.

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No one that I know of has ever 'defended' what Hopper might have done. Again, our only sources are the tabloids. And we all know (or those of us with brains should know anyway) that all the tabloids are after is sensationalism. They sure did a number on you, cupper! But, as obsessive as you are, I would say that you're very susceptible to such things because this is clearly what you get off on. One need not be a Rhodes Scholar to figure this out. If Hopper did what he was charged with and was sentenced to prison for ten years then let's call him a bastard and be done with it. He's a bastard, okay?
I have shown you links to the Kentucky Sexual Offenders list, and his convictions for rape and sodomy. That is not rumor, that is fact. That is not tabloid, no matter how many times you repeat it. YOU are the one who keeps questioning if he actually did it.

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The FACTS for the millionth time.
Yes, try reading them. And listening to the pastor's actual words. Better yet, try comprehending them.

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Hopper is now free to live in society as are the rest of us. The same as many other previously convicted sex offenders who (gasp) "walk among us" as your buddy sanspeur said ...cue in the Twilight Zone theme. And, many will 'walk among us' and we will never know because they will never re-offend. You DO realize, do you not, that many don't re-offend?
Hopper has been in prison longer than out for his multiple crimes since he was an adult. Multiple, various crimes.

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By the way, some food for thought. How do you know that the 13 year-old girl (now a woman) hasn't moved on? How do you know that she wouldn't appreciate your keeping her perpetually tagged as 'a victim'? How do you know she hasn't forgiven Hopper? Maybe she's a Christian or maybe she will become a Christian. And, if so, forgiveness might be par for the course. See, you don't know. You just think you know. All you know is what you (and I) have gotten from unofficial web sites that pretty much contain the same crud about a pastor who, stupidly, gave them a sensational story to milk.
Love the empathy you show for a girl that was raped and sodomized. Must be all those trailer park tramps you knew, right?

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This story will eventually die a natural death. But, just hang in there, cupper ...tomorrow is another day. There'll be another sensationalist tabloid story for you to run with just as you did with this one. Then, the wolves will move in yet again for the attack.
Hang on to your hats. I have a couple in the hopper for today.
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:17 PM
 
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By the way, some food for thought. How do you know that the 13 year-old girl (now a woman) hasn't moved on? How do you know that she wouldn't appreciate your keeping her perpetually tagged as 'a victim'? How do you know she hasn't forgiven Hopper? Maybe she's a Christian or maybe she will become a Christian. And, if so, forgiveness might be par for the course. See, you don't know. You just think you know. All you know is what you (and I) have gotten from unofficial web sites that pretty much contain the same crud about a pastor who, stupidly, gave them a sensational story to milk.

That's a good point and reminds me of the whole Duggar thing last year. The sisters that got molested had moved on. They even forgave their brother. They wanted to leave it in the past, but the disgusting media made it front headlines for weeks with zero concern for the victims. They had to relive the experience over and over in the press.
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:33 PM
 
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Just a reminder to those who talk about the victim moving on, in the Western Legal system the crime is against the state/crown so it does not matter if the victim has moved on or wants the rapist boiled in oil. It is the government that tries the accused and decides innocent or guilt and the punishment if found guilty.


I would guess that all of us hopes that he does not reoffend but if he is put into a position that allows him access to under aged girls and he does reoffend are you fine with this and again question the girl more than Hopper. Yes the media would be less disgusting if they simply showed or told about the mean things that atheists said or did and leave the good Christians alone.


Romulus the girl was a member of the church when she was raped but perhaps not a good member if you doubt that the rape occurred.
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Old 04-26-2016, 03:44 PM
 
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They had to relive the experience over and over in the press.
They CHOSE to relive the experience. The INVITED Megyn Kelly and a TV crew into the family home.

The only reason anyone knows who the Duggars are is because they, like the Kardashians, choose to make their money by letting cameras into their lives. They LOVE the attention. They THRIVE on it. They make $$$$$ by doing it.

Except, of course, Josh who seems to have dropped off the face of the planet when everyone found out that his transgressions extended beyond molesting little girls.
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