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Old 07-20-2016, 09:49 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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We all are aware how suspect the Ken Ham monstrosity, his Ark Encounter, is from a financial perspective. But let's focus on another christian theme park, the Holy Land Experience. It has one huge advantage over Ham's folly, and that is Location, Location, Location. It is only 3 miles (2.9 to be exact) from Universal's Orlando Resort and 10 miles from Disneyworld. In Orlando, where 62 million, read that again, 62 MILLION tourist visited in 2014.

But it is going broke. The last year available online is 2014, and it lost over $1.3 million.

The ONLY reason it had continued viability is because the owners of TBN fed it money from that network.

Holy Land's Form 990 financial disclosures to the IRS show that TBN and other companies contributed $42.7 million to the theme park in 2010. That dropped to $23 million in 2011. After that, the contributions plummeted to $2.2 million in 2012, $2.6 million in 2013 and $2.5 million in 2014. The organization's 2015 form is not available.

Program revenue from tickets and other sales hovered around $8 million and $9 million annually during that period.


Source: Holy Land Experience unloads furniture, statues amid financial turmoil - Orlando Sentinel

Now, the owners of the Holy Land Experience were able to convince the Florida lawmakers that it was a "ministry" and as such, exempt from taxation. That is a subject for another debate. Due to the failing revenues, they are now having a garage sale of various artifacts, including a Harley Davidson motorcycle. Can anyone explain why a ministry needs a tricked out HD?

So, if the Holy Land Experience can't make it where 62 MILLION people visit annually, in metro Orlando, what the heck makes anyone think Ham's pig sty (and other critter holding pens) will float?

Oh, BTW, for those who will invariably state that once again I am spreading bad news and exaggeration, just take a look in detail the backup I provide from various independent sources. Perhaps you should try it some time, rather than depending on scribbles from tales passed down from itinerant desert goat herders, goat herders who were suspicious as all get out, and retold their tales around campfires. You know, goat herders from over 2000 years ago.
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:04 AM
 
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Shocker... think of the children who will never get to see this-
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:06 AM
 
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Jesus is going to collect unemployment benefits.
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Sugarmill Woods , FL
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Jesus is going to collect unemployment benefits.
Seems right!
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:14 AM
 
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Jesus is going to collect unemployment benefits.
Did you turn water into wine last week?

No.

Did you try to turn water into wine last week?

Yes.
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:22 AM
 
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We all are aware how suspect the Ken Ham monstrosity, his Ark Encounter, is from a financial perspective. But let's focus on another christian theme park, the Holy Land Experience. It has one huge advantage over Ham's folly, and that is Location, Location, Location. It is only 3 miles (2.9 to be exact) from Universal's Orlando Resort and 10 miles from Disneyworld. In Orlando, where 62 million, read that again, 62 MILLION tourist visited in 2014.

But it is going broke. The last year available online is 2014, and it lost over $1.3 million.

The ONLY reason it had continued viability is because the owners of TBN fed it money from that network.

Holy Land's Form 990 financial disclosures to the IRS show that TBN and other companies contributed $42.7 million to the theme park in 2010. That dropped to $23 million in 2011. After that, the contributions plummeted to $2.2 million in 2012, $2.6 million in 2013 and $2.5 million in 2014. The organization's 2015 form is not available.

Program revenue from tickets and other sales hovered around $8 million and $9 million annually during that period.


Source: Holy Land Experience unloads furniture, statues amid financial turmoil - Orlando Sentinel

Now, the owners of the Holy Land Experience were able to convince the Florida lawmakers that it was a "ministry" and as such, exempt from taxation. That is a subject for another debate. Due to the failing revenues, they are now having a garage sale of various artifacts, including a Harley Davidson motorcycle. Can anyone explain why a ministry needs a tricked out HD?

So, if the Holy Land Experience can't make it where 62 MILLION people visit annually, in metro Orlando, what the heck makes anyone think Ham's pig sty (and other critter holding pens) will float?

Oh, BTW, for those who will invariably state that once again I am spreading bad news and exaggeration, just take a look in detail the backup I provide from various independent sources. Perhaps you should try it some time, rather than depending on scribbles from tales passed down from itinerant desert goat herders, goat herders who were suspicious as all get out, and retold their tales around campfires. You know, goat herders from over 2000 years ago.
Wasn't that Paul and Jan Crouch's baby? I'm not surprised it's failing--it never seemed like anything I wanted to see.
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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did you turn water into wine last week?

No.

Did you try to turn water into wine last week?

Yes.
Too soon, Freak.

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Old 07-20-2016, 10:39 AM
 
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Wasn't that Paul and Jan Crouch's baby? I'm not surprised it's failing--it never seemed like anything I wanted to see.

You nailed it. But, are they not appealing to the same cohort as Ham?
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:12 AM
 
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You nailed it. But, are they not appealing to the same cohort as Ham?
No. They really aren't. Sure, there is some overlap...but honestly, the TBN crowd is more of a pentecostal, charismatic, non-thinking, prosperity-gospel-focused group. Ham's ministry is not geared toward that. At least in my experience.
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:30 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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No. They really aren't. Sure, there is some overlap...but honestly, the TBN crowd is more of a pentecostal, charismatic, non-thinking, prosperity-gospel-focused group. Ham's ministry is not geared toward that. At least in my experience.
An evangelical bible-believer is like most any other evangelical bible-believer. Just look at how all the far right cultists find a commonality in Trump & Pence.
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