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"we don't know". But the conversation stops there when we all say it.
infinite causation vs this is the first universe. Pick one. Both are valid. It just depends on what side you feel more comfortable on. Not that one is more or less valid.
Now what?
Is ID better than "something started it"?
Is ID better than "maybe it was born"?
Maybe ID means another life form did start it, but that doesn't mean they are "gods of religions" nor does that claim mean "all god claims" are all wrong. It just means some religious guys have some traits wrong.
I've already given you things where the source is unknown. The source of life on this planet is unknown. Pretending that nobody has answered your question and repeating it makes you look very foolish
ID disproves itself. Just look at the human body. It is no way intelligently designed.
Seriously? No way? Have you studied the human brain, the DNA chain? These things are more complex than we can understand. We're still learning.
Everything we see is matter. We do not know what is the source of matter. If you're speaking of manifestations of matter, we can often identify sources - and very often those sources are not conscious agencies.
Star systems are complex. Hurricanes are complex. Many geographical features appear to be designed - columnar basalt, crystals, and so forth - yet form via natural processes, and not by deities on geode-making assembly lines.
Your incredulity is no more impressive than that of the ancient Egyptians, utterly ignorant of gravity and fusion, who invented the deity Ra to explain the bright and warm orb that crossed the sky every day. And your assertion that everything must have a cause but for your favorite cause - God - which is excepted from the very rule that requires its existence, is absurdly nonsensical.
Indeed, just as it cannot disprove that leprechauns horde gold. To take solace is the notion that fantastic assertions cannot be disproven is child-like 'logic'.
Matter is an ambiguous term. Nevertheless, we can see that everything comes from something. The only way we can reach the beginning is to find a source that is greater than us or exists on a higher plane than us.
To answer your question, from what we see and know, everything has a cause. Something cannot come from nothing, unless it is greater than what we know or exists outside our realm.
From what we see and know that cause is energy, which can neither be created or destroyed and is therefore eternal. To claim that God created energy is like claiming that Popeye created God by eating his spinach. It could be true, but there is no actual evidence of it.
that doesn't answer my question. You say "ID" is the best answer. Over "born" or made by another life form"? Or "something" else that isn't as smart as us?
Matter is an ambiguous term. Nevertheless, we can see that everything comes from something. The only way we can reach the beginning is to find a source that is greater than us or exists on a higher plane than us.
why not just look for the source? does it have to be "greater"?
something or nothing, it only depends on what you feel comfortable with. "greater" or "lesser" have nothing to do with it intill we find it.
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