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Hmm you mean like the atheists that just blew a gasket when we dared refer to them as hatetheists? And that's not even equivalent. Fundie is meant to sound condescending. Hateatheist accurately describes the mentality of most atheists as hatred of Christianity (and ONLY Christianity) is the root of their ideology.
Hatetheist. Very daring. Did you make that up yourself? Was it group-think? It does not roll off the tongue easily. You need something snappier.
You may not see this soon, but lemme reply while it's fresh..
I was amazed i knew that whole story well!...I followed it fine, the parts in blue. I remembered more than i thought.
I did not know about the pre-cursor of the Messiah in that story...I'm not going to have an issue with that, tho. That may be a valid interpretation of many scholars...which I am not.
I am not appalled by this story, tho... people, fighting for something they want...it happens. Not happy with it...it's like the Europeans massacring Native Americans for their land.
Not good, not right, not necessary...
Yes. Wars happen. But I do believe there is a difference between God telling Israel to occupy their promised land with the eventual outcome being the Messiah coming 1200 years later, and the Europeans conquering a new world. It's just not the same thing, and I will not begin to suggest that what the Europeans did to the Native Americans was reasonable.
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Where we would have an issue is, ''DID God tell them, really, to wipe out an entire nation for some land?"...ah, the earth was sparsely populated. OR was that some made up story to justify their actions...their own desire for this land?
See? For me, God telling them to do this ? Ahh...that's where you believe it..and I'm all...'Ahh...doesn't
sound like the God I know.'
Yes. He did. He also went so far as to promise them vineyards they did not plant, houses they did not build, etc. He used the land and the cities the pagans built to bless Israel. He also cursed those nations for not following him (going back to the time of Abraham).
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Seems God is blamed for a lot of killing..how could that be?
You can say the words, "God told me to"...say words like jealous, justice, non-obeyance of Laws till the cows come home...
That is not the God I know.
Now, is that so bad that we disagree...no.
Wanna come up with a nasty bloody story in a different situation that you think would really appall me?
And defend that?
If the God you know isn't the one true God would you want to know? Instead of creating a god in our minds and of our own tastes, why would you not want to find out who the real God is and serve him?
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I'm not sure i could be convinced God told people to massacre....now, if a theological scholar tried to tell me
God was different then,,,because the people were different ...they only knew swords and bloodshed...it was the culture (I've seen Braveheart...it was a culture!!) so, he HAD to
do these things 'at that time' in history to
get through to these 'human children, young in their psychological development.'...I would say...
"OK, I'm listening ...what else ya got..."
Did you know that it's prophesied that Jesus will come back one day and slaughter millions? He isn't some effeminate, pandering butler of a god. He is God. We serve him, not the other way around.
Now...nowhere do I suggest for a second that we have been commanded by God to go and kill everyone -- that was a specific time, in a specific place, fulfilling a specific promise. God has not made that promise to anyone alive today.
But the bottom line is, that the killing that was done, preserved the Messianic line, and billions have benefited from Jesus. If not for that killing that was done, that never would have happened.
Yes. Wars happen. But I do believe there is a difference between God telling Israel to occupy their promised land with the eventual outcome being the Messiah coming 1200 years later, and the Europeans conquering a new world. It's just not the same thing, and I will not begin to suggest that what the Europeans did to the Native Americans was reasonable...
I'm sure you've heard of Manifest Destiny. There are people who have given God the blame for this, too. People can always find a way to justify their actions, even if it means dragging God's character through the mud.
I'm sure you've heard of Manifest Destiny. There are people who have given God the blame for this, too. People can always find a way to justify their actions, even if it means dragging God's character through the mud.
Yes. I get that. And I believe that people that read America into the Bible are wrong. The Bible doesn't talk about America, and I don't believe it's reasonable to suggest otherwise.
Yes. I get that. And I believe that people that read America into the Bible are wrong. The Bible doesn't talk about America, and I don't believe it's reasonable to suggest otherwise.
That's all fine and good. But the point is, Christians who believed the bible that God doesn't change, have no reason to agree with you that if God wanted people to destroy others, and the ends justified God's means at one point in history as you believe, God wouldn't do the same thing again.
That's all fine and good. But the point is, Christians who believed the bible that God doesn't change, have no reason to agree with you that if God wanted people to destroy others, and the ends justified God's means at one point in history as you believe, God wouldn't do the same thing again.
Now demonstrate to me that God wants us to destroy any one particular group of people. There are no Biblical commands to do that today, and certainly no commands for America to do it.
Now demonstrate to me that God wants us to destroy any one particular group of people. There are no Biblical commands to do that today, and certainly no commands for America to do it.
You avoid the point. Your belief is that at a point in history, God commanded genocide, and the ends justified the means. If that is true, then that is a part of God's character. It's a foundational principle that others can build off of and use to justify their actions.
You avoid the point. Your belief is that at a point in history, God commanded genocide, and the ends justified the means. If that is true, then that is a part of God's character. It's a foundational principle that others can build off of and use to justify their actions.
As we have seen for thousands of years and hundreds of thousands of murders.
You avoid the point. Your belief is that at a point in history, God commanded genocide, and the ends justified the means. If that is true, then that is a part of God's character. It's a foundational principle that others can build off of and use to justify their actions.
Now there's the rub. You change it from God commanding Israelites to someone in 1800's America (or 2017 America) claiming God commanded them.
No--God had a covenant with Israel. It started 400 years prior to the Exodus. God has made no such covenant with America. And until you can demonstrate that, anyone claiming that today is simply a nut job.
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