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Wouldn't most Christians agree that Jesus is the epitome of selflessness and willing to pay the ultimate price?
Yet, the vast majority of American Christians supported a leader who most non-Christians view as the epitome of selfishness.
I find this an unfortunate moral contradiction that can only be justified by ideology and irrational logic.
Are other religions similar in regards to selflessness?
Religion is about controlling your "self" and this can lead to selflessness. Politics should also be for the interests of the people rather than material selfishness. Today, quite often, politicians use their position to help themselves, rich for rich only. And that's the difference between religious aims and political aims.
Religion is about controlling your "self" and this can lead to selflessness. Politics should also be for the interests of the people rather than material selfishness. Today, quite often, politicians use their position to help themselves, rich for rich only. And that's the difference between religious aims and political aims.
99% of all religion is false religion--they rake in billions--that is their purpose. They put on a false front( wolves in sheeps clothing) just like the politicians
99% of all religion is false religion--they rake in billions--that is their purpose. They put on a false front( wolves in sheeps clothing) just like the politicians
I may have become an atheist, but even I think that statement is a gross exaggeration of the truth.
Religion is about controlling your "self" and this can lead to selflessness. Politics should also be for the interests of the people rather than material selfishness. Today, quite often, politicians use their position to help themselves, rich for rich only. And that's the difference between religious aims and political aims.
If religion is needed to control your "self", then can't the more selfish leaders use religion to control followers? And people who don't need religion to control themselves would have more time and ability to be selfless? Whether they do or not depends on the ability actions of the individual.
There are varying levels of selfishness, that can be assessed through actions and lifestyle. Not all leaders are selfish and I find the best ones (from a coach, teacher, manager, to all the way up) to be intelligent and truly selfless.
Wouldn't most Christians agree that Jesus is the epitome of selflessness and willing to pay the ultimate price?
Yet, the vast majority of American Christians supported a leader who most non-Christians view as the epitome of selfishness.
I find this an unfortunate moral contradiction that can only be justified by ideology and irrational logic.
Are other religions similar in regards to selflessness?
Now, are you talking about Donald Trump? Or the Pope?
Many of our leaders make pious GESTURES yet if you really examine their behavior, you find they are deeply selfish, they want everyone else to suffer while they live well. This is life under globalism. And this is the reality about people like the Pope and the Dalai Lama.
Meanwhile, to those whose lives have been ruined by globalists who demanded they be unselfish and "we have to do our part" and "for the greater good", having a leader who literally believes that it's okay to be human is a breath of fresh air. Why should I "do my part" for strangers who may be without insurance when I myself am struggling to maintain my insurance? And what "greater good" is there mandating that the millions of Americans struggling under this system literally screw themselves over?
When I was in college, I was trying to watch shows on the DVD, and none of the computers had one installed. So I installed one. I got the perverse pleasure of watching the school pay me back. But I thought about it. If everyone did stuff that helped themselves on the idea that it might be useful to others, wouldn't we have all the computers able to play DVDs? Meanwhile, the school on the idea that all computers should be the same, swapped out that computer next year when they got all new computers, which were always busted. They were high tech in terms of Deep Freeze built-in, but if you needed to watch a movie for class, you couldn't do it. All because unselfish moral hypocrites wanted all computers the same.
When you start thinking about yourself, you actually come up with realistic ways of helping others. When you try to be "unselfish", you are out of touch with the real needs of others, because you havent been living in the real world of struggling to pay for stuff.
Moderator cut: Leave Donald Trump out of the Religion forums.
Maybe religion isn't about being unselfish, it's about reconnecting.
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Reason: Ridiculous political paragraph removed.
Now, are you talking about Donald Trump? Or the Pope?
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Maybe religion isn't about being unselfish, it's about reconnecting.
I have a great deal of respect for one of those leaders even though I am not a Christian.
Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life" and was willing to be tortured and die to help all of mankind. Yet you feel the religion based on Jesus isn't about being unselfish? Would Jesus be ok with the practice of prosperity Christianity?
I question the characterization of Jesus as the epitome of selflessness. Seems to me that he and his disciples would have had to be welfare recipients or beggars in order to conduct their ministry. In addition, “believe in me or burn in hell/be destroyed” doesn’t reflect selflessness. If Jesus existed, it’s possible he was just another famous live off the flock evangelist.
I question the characterization of Jesus as the epitome of selflessness. Seems to me that he and his disciples would have had to be welfare recipients or beggars in order to conduct their ministry.
They had a treasurer, with a common coinpurse. That seems to imply they had coins to put in that purse.
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In addition, “believe in me or burn in hell/be destroyed” doesn’t reflect selflessness. If Jesus existed, it’s possible he was just another famous live off the flock evangelist.
Right...because every shyster we see on late night tv fleecing the flock will literally die for people that they've never met?
Wouldn't most Christians agree that Jesus is the epitome of selflessness and willing to pay the ultimate price?
Yet, the vast majority of American Christians supported a leader who most non-Christians view as the epitome of selfishness.
I find this an unfortunate moral contradiction that can only be justified by ideology and irrational logic.
Are other religions similar in regards to selflessness?
As far as the recent election, we had two flawed candidates, so I think you are wrong to point fingers there.
Regarding your question, the characteristic of being selfless is one of the most important traits any Christian can have. It’s so significant that Jesus said it is the second most important of all God’s commandments: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself” (Mark 12:31; cf. Galatians 5:14).
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