'Babylon the Great' is Not today's Babylon

[Matthew 4:4]

Originally Posted by hljc

Most of these devil like Babylon the harlot and the false prophet spirit are fallen angels who have spiritual kingdoms in the world who influence man ..... Like the liberal spirit in the world is a kingdom of darkness which fallen angels claim spiritual authority , where people ideas are profoundly different to other people , as divisions is a work of these monsters who influence man , and man finds their ideas familiar , so it is how we think ... See these unseen spiritual fallen angels are very real and Not just a conjecture of ideas , but a real menace to man.............

The ^ above ^ post reminds me of the words found at Revelation 12:9,12 that the devil and his fallen angels mislead or influence, but thankfully their time is limited or short, and as also mentioned about the wicked at Psalm 37:9-10.

[mahasn sawresho]

My esteemed friend
Ancient Babylon and its people became memories in the past and only the Torah mentions them
Today, they have become immigrants in all the countries of the world
Babylon and Assyria
Memories are only human beings who still carry those names
I am among them

But the people of Israel must know that their enemies today are neither Assyria nor Babylon, but their enemies are those who carry the doctrine of terror

[rstevens62]

Originally Posted by Matthew 4:4

The ^ above ^ post reminds me of the words found at Revelation 12:9,12 that the devil and his fallen angels mislead or influence, but thankfully their time is limited or short, and as also mentioned about the wicked at Psalm 37:9-10.

Revelations is so symbolic though, Im not sure its meant to be taken literally.

[Hannibal Flavius]

Originally Posted by Matthew 4:4

Some people think the ' Babylon ' of Revelation 17 is referring to the Middle East.
Since Revelation is written in very-vivid word pictures then Babylon the Great is 'symbolic' of something.
She is a figurative woman and a figurative city. Babylon the Great is global or international in scope.
She sits on many ' waters ' as per Rev. 17:1. Those ' waters ' stand for 'people' as per Rev. 17:15; Isaiah 57:20.
Because she commits fornication with earth's kings ( aka political leaders ) then she is Not political - Rev. 17:2
Because earth's merchants ( aka business men ) weep and mourn over her then she is Not commercial - Rev. 18:11-19
That leaves symbolic 'Babylon the Great' to stand for or represent the world's religious groups.

As the people migrated out of ancient Babylon they took with them their religious practices and ideas.
They took their religious-myth ideas and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
That is why stemming from ancient Babylon we see so many similar or overlapping ideas in today's religious realm.

The world's religious groups, their religious kingdoms, think they sit as some sort of religious ' queen ' - Rev. 18:7
A ' queen ' who will never see mourning or sorrow. Such religious organizations have given their blessings to the political as she tries to put influence over them.
However, now 'Babylon the Great' is seeing her 'waters' (people who support her now drying up spiritually) but she will Not just dry up and fade away.
As she attempts to bend earth's kings (political rulers) to to do ' her ' will, soon the political realm will tire of her influence and go against her.
Perhaps even a bad economy will make the wealth the religions have amassed look easy for their taking.
So, in the soon coming future the political militarized 'horns' will turn on world-wide religious Babylon the Great.
Because Christendom (Christian mostly 'in name only') corresponds to un-faithful Jerusalem of the year 70, then she will be the first to go, the first for the political (earth's kings/rulers) to eradicate Babylon the Great.
- 1st Peter 4:17

Exodus 13
7Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee in all thy quarters. 8And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt. 9And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth:



God wiped out ten tribes in Israel because they adopted the Babylonian Easter and the Babylonian Christmas called the Saturnalia.


There is no great search for the people of Babylon, if you are a Christian keeping Babylonian holy days and traditions, you are told to leave Babylon because the fact of the law is the facts of the law.


The fact of the law is that whatever Holy days and Sabbaths you keep, they mark you, and Christians have Babylon written between their eyes just like Israel has Jerusalem between it's eyes.

[BaptistFundie]

Boy, heresy is fun to watch sometimes.

[Hannibal Flavius]

Babylon is as Babylon does.


But we were all informed of the great apostasy, it is no surprise.


The Man of Sin
1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Stand Firm
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.






Sitting in your own temple because you are the temple, and people become the high priest of their temple thinking to change or alter the word of God as they see fit, they think they can do away with the worship system of God because they sit in their temple as a God themselves when they prove that their word is above the word of God.


We are to teach the Gentile that he needs a Passover lamb and we are to remember the great sacrifice of Jesus in his dying for us, AS a Passover lamb, AS a ram of Shavuot, AS a Yom Kippur goat, AS a Sukkot bull.


But now we have Babylonian Christians who refuse to remember the sacrifice of Jesus, and they look upon these sacrifices as if they are some kind of evil memorials EVEN THOUGH we are to remember Messiah's sacrifice, Gentiles turn it into wickedness because they actually believe that their word is above the word of God, and to do so means that you actually think you are a God that is able to change any of the word of God he sees fit.


I sit here and speak for God, it isn't my law, it isn't the feasts and Sabbaths I made for myself, it isn't an invented or ancient pagan worship system, it is what God has ordained, what God has appointed for his son, and those 7 feasts are all made for a bride of Christ, instructions for the brides of Christ about how, when and where they will receive the greatest gifts ever offered to mankind on God's appointed days.


I sit here and defend God from Christians who hate their own appointed days, and I am wrong lol?




It isn't my opinion against your opinion, it is God's ordained recorded ways against your opinion that you think you can not only replace the laws of God, but you think you can even create your own holy days with your own traditions which just happen to teach of Tammuz, the Babylonian Messiah, and his name will never change. His Holy days and his traditions have been kept by Egyptians, Babylonians, by the ten tribes, by Muslims, and Christians. YES, YES, we should all know what Messiah you believe in because of the fact that you keep all his Sabbaths, all his holy days and all his traditions, and we aren't talking about Jesus, we speak of Tammuz, the pagan, lawless Jesus. The false prophet Jesus that most Christians teach. Those who stand against all that is called of God or that is worshipped, we were warned long ago about you.


Isn't that what you do as you sit in your own temple thinking to do away with the commandments of God and his holy sacrifices offered by his son?


How will you even teach of the sacrifice of Jesus?


HOW?


He sure isn't your Passover lamb, and so what Jesus and gospel are you teaching of when it has nothing to do with Jerusalem or the ways of God, you have invented your own ways, and now you stand firm against the ways of God.