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Old 06-17-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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By that logic then I guess you think that we should ban hands because they do evil.
I told my kids, no eating without a plate. They said, "Ok". a week later I showed them again. "Ok, what don't you understand dad, I said ok". The third week, there wasn't a thing said. Haven't seen them eat a cookie out side of the kitchen since.

Are they "bad kids"? certainly not. Would some people that do not understand the world around them not understand the solution? certainly, there are humans that can't understand. That doesn't mean I have to act stupid because they do.

Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right,
here we are again,
stuck in the middle.


"sin" is outdated. That's just a basic understanding. anti-anything-looking-religious and my-god-only are the most dangerous ideologies to freedom I know.
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Old 06-17-2018, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Germany
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By that logic then I guess you think that we should ban hands because they do evil.
No.

One, we need hands.

Two, I never mentioned banning it.
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Old 06-17-2018, 09:58 AM
 
Location: 912 feet above sea level
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By that logic then I guess you think that we should ban hands because they do evil.
No.

It does not follow that because an information source is discredited by myriad examples of false and malignant teachings, that it therefore follows that the existence of the Boston Stranger means we have to cut off everyone's hands.

That is perhaps the worst attempt at logic that I have ever heard.
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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So the Bible then becomes a written source which teaches people these things. What's wrong with that?
In my view nothing's wrong with that. Most of us aren't complaining about people learning valuable moral lessons from the bible (although there are quite a few immoral lessons in there, too). What we're complaining about is the magic and all the totally unsubstantiated "true facts" that christians cite in the bible. I know of no other field than religion where one source or one experiment is trusted as being "truth". And, we resent the implication (well, it's more than just implication) that the bible is the only source of wisdom.
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Old 06-17-2018, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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By that logic then I guess you think that we should ban hands because they do evil.


Come on Ozzy. You can do better than that.
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Old 06-17-2018, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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That is perhaps the worst attempt at logic that I have ever heard.
Naw, I've seen worse. It's just really bad.
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Old 06-17-2018, 02:37 PM
 
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In my view nothing's wrong with that. Most of us aren't complaining about people learning valuable moral lessons from the bible (although there are quite a few immoral lessons in there, too). What we're complaining about is the magic and all the totally unsubstantiated "true facts" that christians cite in the bible. I know of no other field than religion where one source or one experiment is trusted as being "truth". And, we resent the implication (well, it's more than just implication) that the bible is the only source of wisdom.
I don't see "immoral lessons". I see it telling us what happens when we take ourselves as the sole determiner of what is "true". yeah, the bible as the sole source of wisdom is like stating a cook book is the sole source of wisdom.
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Old 06-17-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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I told my kids, no eating without a plate. They said, "Ok". a week later I showed them again. "Ok, what don't you understand dad, I said ok". The third week, there wasn't a thing said. Haven't seen them eat a cookie out side of the kitchen since.

Are they "bad kids"? certainly not. Would some people that do not understand the world around them not understand the solution? certainly, there are humans that can't understand. That doesn't mean I have to act stupid because they do.

Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right,
here we are again,
stuck in the middle.


"sin" is outdated. That's just a basic understanding. anti-anything-looking-religious and my-god-only are the most dangerous ideologies to freedom I know.

What did you show your children? I am not understanding this.
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Old 06-17-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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What did you show your children? I am not understanding this.
I showed them why we don't eat without plates.

But that's not the main point. the main point is we won't need the notion of sin when we don't need the notion of police. Its a bummer to be sure, Its just the way it is. Although I do admit, we need a new word.
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Old 06-17-2018, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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What did you show your children? I am not understanding this.
Not to grab a cookie and eat it on the way to the park. GROSS!
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