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that's not what I see him saying. all he pointed out is that some people, who rush to conclusions, may have closed minds. he is right. But, like you did with me, you changed his claim a bit. I wonder if you will run away when caught, like you did with me ... lmao.
oh yeah, god did it through evolution ends that god thing. But we know what the anti-religious sect of atheism will do with that statement don't we.
Well, here's my general conclusion on the topic. People who value science usually have a far more open mind than people who primarily value religion.
If life is ever found elsewhere in the universe does that mean that religious folks are further from reality than no believers? Would it prove that there is no God or that God is even more wonderful? Or would it prove that there is life other than on Earth and nothing more?
well, "nothing more" counters observation as much as that god of theirs you hate so much. So I still am unclear just which side is "farther from reality".
Well, here's my general conclusion on the topic. People who value science usually have a far more open mind than people who primarily value religion.
i don't know. one look at the philly, and surrounding area, school systems shows me that there are many people that "value science" and have absolutely closed minds when it comes to working in the real world.
i would we say rational people are rational people. "rational people" tend to have open minds. they may value religion and not know science. i have talked to such people, have you? they tend not to be literal.
People who value science usually have a far more open mind than people who primarily value religion.
People who value both science and spirituality are clearly more open-minded than those who only value science. That's where we differ.
I'm not about to shut down anything that could have potential. There's still much that we don't know, as any valid scientist would admit.
Those who they think they know everything and have everything figured out are the ones who are anti-scientific, anti-searching, and anti-exploring. In their rush to display self-appointed superiority, they actually reveal the limitations of their minds and attitudes.
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People who value both science and spirituality are clearly more open-minded than those who only value science. That's where we differ.
Like I told phet, rational people are rational people. Rational people listen to reason. Irrational people tend not to listen to reason.
this life thing is an excellent example. rational believers just say: "wow, god is greater than i thought, cool.". Irrational believers claim 'my holy book is the one true reality."
what's cracks me up is the anti-religious sects of atheism won't let some believers modify their claims based on new information. That sect of atheism is as closed minded as any fundy theists group I have seen.
That sect of atheism is as closed minded as any fundy theists group I have seen.
Absolutely true. The more time I spend on this forum, the lesser I think of atheists in general. Based on the sampling here, many are more dogmatic and "religious" in fervor than the fundies and bible-thumpers, and yet don't even see it. It's hilarious.
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Absolutely true. The more time I spend on this forum, the lesser I think of atheists (I used to be completely neutral towards them). Based on the sampling here, they're more dogmatic and religious in their fervor than the fundies and bible-thumpers, and yet don't even see it! It's hilarious.
I would caution you to use the word "some". I know you get it. atheists come in many forms. There are sects of atheism as surely as there are sects of theism. many sects of atheism believe in "something".
I am atheist thor, stone cold "how the universe works" atheists. When I lay out the data and link the observation together, no line of logic leads me to a god. I think many theists are misunderstanding the connection to the system around them.
I came in thinking we atheists were about fitting our statements of belief to science and its observations. no matter where it leads us.
You can imagine my dismay when all of the sudden I was told that we need to pass what we say through the filter of anti-religious. i was told to change words and not to talk about some things because "theists can use it and make atheism harder to sell".
I actually had a hannibal-flavor type violent reaction. I was PO-ed that anti-religion thought they can smudge their personal statement of belief all over science.
lmao, they shunned me when i told them they are exactly like fundy theists.
I would caution you to use the word "some". I know you get it. atheists come in many forms. There are sects of atheism as surely as there are sects of theism. many sects of atheism believe in "something".
You can imagine my dismay when all of the sudden I was told that we need to pass what we say through the filter of anti-religious. i was told to change words and not to talk about some things because "theists can use it and make atheism harder to sell".
lmao, they shunned me when i told them they are exactly like fundy theists.
Great points. And you're right about there being variety among groups. "Some" do not necessarily represent the "all".
i don't know. one look at the philly, and surrounding area, school systems shows me that there are many people that "value science" and have absolutely closed minds when it comes to working in the real world.
i would we say rational people are rational people. "rational people" tend to have open minds. they may value religion and not know science. i have talked to such people, have you? they tend not to be literal.
Define rational. I don't think a literal belief in the bible is rational.
But you are right that individuals are not open or closed minded on all topics.
Well, here's my general conclusion on the topic. People who value science usually have a far more open mind than people who primarily value religion.
Open minded about what?
If fundamentalist Christians are more compassionate than atheists (and I'm not saying that they are) that would mean a heck of a lot more than open-mindedness.
You can a very "open-minded", but selfish person. Open mindedness is not some kind of virtue.
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