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Then that is exactly what you said. I compared a cognitive bias what is probably a cognitive bias.
As I never made such an argument, I wonder why you wrote this.
How do you know this? If a person's experience can not be verified, if they are personal, how can you make the claim some are not? The best you can do is say some may be genuine.
'anti-their-religion" because of my personal bias isn't a reasonable start either. 'anti-their-religion" because they have some components I don't agree with, like "go out and save others" is a reasonable start. not a false equivalence between miracles and bias.
Again, not my argument. Clearly the sun did not jump around the sky at Fatima, so some people experienced a miracle that did not happen. They convinced themselves one would occur because a miracle was prophesied. Their cognitive bias gave them a false experience.
And that is why personal experience is a bad argument unless that experience can somehow be verified. Such as a person experiencing a god that makes predictions.
Like i said, I agree with your overall premise. "personal experience", just like the phrase "what if it was your kid", are cop outs.
I just lost the part about personal experience equal to believing in fatma. I went and reread your post. I think I lost you because I didn't read it correctly maybe?
you are saying, if your personal experience is the only proof you need, then a blind person can claim there is no sun rise because he didn't see it?
you are saying, if your personal experience is the only proof you need, then a blind person can claim there is no sun rise because he didn't see it?
No, that would be NOT experiencing the sun rise.
What I am saying is that if you experience something like Fatima, or voices in your head, or as in Acts some fuzzy glowing lights, how can you be sure that experience is real, and not your brain providing a false experience for some reason.
The list of cognitive biases on Wikipedia is a good source for seeing just how untrustworthy our brain can be. Which is why I do not rely on personal, unverifiable personal experience for a god, or the imaginary friend my youngest daughter had when she was young.
Like i said, I agree with your overall premise. "personal experience", just like the phrase "what if it was your kid", are cop outs.
I just lost the part about personal experience equal to believing in fatma. I went and reread your post. I think I lost you because I didn't read it correctly maybe?
you are saying, if your personal experience is the only proof you need, then a blind person can claim there is no sun rise because he didn't see it?
The sun is in the material world.
The mind , qualia, is immaterial.
Belief is even more subjective.
Which is why I do not rely on personal, unverifiable personal experience for a god, or the imaginary friend my youngest daughter had when she was young.
Religious types belong and identify in a religious forum.
What has aspergers got to do with it.
Some of us think in black and white and tend to be critical thinkers, basing our understanding on tangible facts. My 'spiritual experience' could have been my son visiting me in my dream or as omega put it, 'god' coming to me in my dream or as I put it, I was dreaming.
The fact is, I was dreaming it. Why think it was my dead son that came to me in my dream (or 'god' who made me dream it) when it is perfectly explainable as being a dream that seemed real in the dream?
Religious types belong and identify in a religious forum.
I am talking about those not in forums, but effect us in the real world.
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What has aspergers got to do with it.
Most people think teleologically, that there is a purpose behind things even when there is not. Aspergers do not. So for most people, it is normal to think there are gods behind our existence. People with aspergers do not. So a belief in gods is a product of the brain regardless of the existence of higher powers.
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