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Seriously? You actually going to try to dispute that?
Yes, it is a straw man. We do not come here to attack religion, but to defend ourselves from it. Such as the religious breaking their own laws. Laws set up to protect YOU as much as us. That is what freedom of religion means, that you can worship as you wish (within reason), and we are free not to believe.
I am happy with people believing in gods if they wish. I am not happy when they try to force their beliefs into science, education, and our private lives.
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You proudly proclaim your atheism, and you do nothing around here to actually further real discussion, unless it's about one of your people attacking religion.
Then you either do not read my posts, or do not understand them.
Add to this, the besieged owner of the restaurant isn't religious himself. He's just trying to drum up business, not be exclusionary, and he noticed that the after church crowd is a lucrative population he could mine.
He was basically doing what businesses do to capture the after graduation ceremony crowd, the pizza ordering super bowl crowd, etc.
Gads.
Students, foot ball fans, not covered in the laws quoted above.
Religion, skin color, gender, covered in the laws quoted above.
Knowing this owner isn't religious himself, he's just trying to attract a lunch going crowd to his restaurant, I'm surprised more atheists in this thread don't feel a little empathy for him. He's just a bi'ness man. Trying to fill his tables.
Never did he dream the screaming harpies would descend on him for offering a small discount to a reliable lunch crowd.
*shakes head. So I guess this is how it's going to be. Get used to the screaming harpies.*
I do feel empathy for him, and cheer his decision to follow the law of his land.
I have no empathy for those Christians who are happy with people breaking the law that was set up to protect them (as well as us).
It's not at all clear any civil rights were violated, and certainly the legal system isn't in play here. This business owner immediately folded his hand - he's not out to make a statement. He's out to get buying customers into his store.
This is some guy starting up a business trying to make it work.
Seems you can't even shift your weight from your right foot to your left without bumping into someone who is looking to be horribly offended and will screech at you.
Interestingly, I'm a devout Christian and I have much more empathy for him learning that he's not religious himself. He wasn't trying to push an agenda or exclude anybody. He was just trying to mine a paying population. Makes me wonder, as I often do, what's with you militant atheists? What makes you tick?
By 'militant atheists', you mean law abiding citizens. But well done for both a straw man and ad hominem, two fallacies for the price of one. After all, they are your laws, set up to protect you.
Makes me wonder, as I often do, what's with American Christians? What makes them tick?
Apparently there have been a lot of people who have gotten their noses out of joint and have taken bars to court over this, with mixed success.
Gads people. Do you really not have anything to do besides whine that a restaurant is trying to drum up business by offering incentives to people they think will improve their profits?
Or religious statues on government property.
Or creationist beliefs into politics and science.
Or one version of a religion to become a theocracy, determining how you practice religion.
Slippery slopes are slippy that way.
Gads people. Do you really not have anything to do besides constantly trying to break the law, and then whine about it when you are told to stop?
What is the intent of the law here, that's being violated?
You're not to give coupons to richly paying populations you hope to attract to your establishment?
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Separation of church and state so that you are allowed to worship as you see fit. Or for atheists, to not worship at all.
Wrong answer. No wonder poor ClaraC is so confused. The intent of the law cited is that no one should discriminate in public business operations on the basis of religion. As noted earlier, discrimination can be either in favor of or to the harm of any particular group, since discrimination in favor is de facto discrimination against all other members of the same category.
Note that the laws werew put in place because of a long and egregious history of such discrimination in our society.
Well, anyway, interesting conversation all. Thanks.
I'm just a bit intrigued by posters who are agnostic/atheists who continue to post here and argue. And argue. And argue.
This HAS been explained to you, many times now.
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There are forms on CD that I think are odd - maybe the prepper forum is the most odd - and I don't post there. Because ya know, I don't get what they're doing. I don't get it. So I don't read their stuff and post to them.
Me neither. I do not even know what a prepper is, and i doubt they effect our lives in any way.
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I still don't get why agnostics and atheists post here on this forum. Because y'all don't get it, and it's not what you're in to. But still you feel like you should be here arguing with religious people. Which is who the forum is for.
Ha, that level of comprehension. This forum is for anyone to discuss religion, it is not for the religious. You are arguing a historian who specializes in Christianity should not be here if they are not Christians.
And we may not be into religion, but it does effect us. It really is that simple a concept.
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But I guess, whatever floats your boat. If you like to argue all the time with people you don't agree with, basically in their forum, I guess, um, so be it. *shrugs*
We are here because religion effects us. And because we know about religion, often better than the religious themselves.
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