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Old 10-18-2018, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Read John chapter 3- about Nicodemus. If you don't understand, then you're probably not "Born Again".
Being born again does not happen over night, you become pregnant with an idea, and although you say Jesus Jesus, does not make one born again that Christ is formed in them suddenly, a Christian will go through a long process that takes years of study and he will go through the birth pangs before he is born, and the most important of these birth pangs is to see the abomination within one's self, that you may be born again.

We are given a mountain of instruction in how exactly we are to be born again as new creatures, but a new creature just isn't formed overnight. There is a long pregnancy in feeding a child the milk of the word where he begins to eat meat, and most people don't ever get to the meat of the word because in order to get to this understanding is understanding your death in Passover, your death in Pentecost, your death in the Yom Kippur goat, and the lips of the bull of Sukkot.

One cannot eat the meat of the word until he begins walking as the sacrifices of all the sacrificed meat. If somebody wants to understand the Passover, he should eat the meat of Passsover.
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Old 10-18-2018, 09:18 PM
 
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myBeing born again does not happen over night, you become pregnant with an idea, and although you say Jesus Jesus, does not make one born again that Christ is formed in them suddenly, a Christian will go through a long process that takes years of study and he will go through the birth pangs before he is born, and the most important of these birth pangs is to see the abomination within one's self, that you may be born again.

We are given a mountain of instruction in how exactly we are to be born again as new creatures, but a new creature just isn't formed overnight. There is a long pregnancy in feeding a child the milk of the word where he begins to eat meat, and most people don't ever get to the meat of the word because in order to get to this understanding is understanding your death in Passover, your death in Pentecost, your death in the Yom Kippur goat, and the lips of the bull of Sukkot.

One cannot eat the meat of the word until he begins walking as the sacrifices of all the sacrificed meat. If somebody wants to understand the Passover, he should eat the meat of Passsover.
And what supposedly happens to a Christian if for whatever reason he/she could not attain the “ Born Again” privilege?
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Old 10-18-2018, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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And what supposedly happens to a Christian if for whatever reason he/she could not attain the “ Born Again” privilege?
Look to the design of the temple that is built specifically to show you the design of the kingdom. You are a bride of Christ and you are trying to raise a full grown son, but what if you never mature a son of Christ?

You youself are saved, but not as a new born creature, those who have raised full grown mature sons become priests to the nations of all those who do not become priests.(The difference is flesh and spirit, the priest is a male spirit (a son, a brethren, not a bride)inside the flesh, the flesh is female while the spirit is male, and so there are billions of brides but few priests)

To choose the narrow way is to choose to become a high priest and nothing less, only the high priest gets past the veil into a room with no door, but for every priest there is a congregation.

The narrow way is to squeeze past a veil that is a wall of seperation within a virgin, and behind that veil is the uterus, the ark of the covenant, one cannot be born again unless he takes the narrow way.

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Old 10-19-2018, 04:44 AM
 
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Yes, I've always wondered why they don't call themselves "conceived again Christians" these days.
Maybe because being conceived there’s a chance to be aborted?

Tough to do if you’re already born
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Old 10-19-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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Maybe because being conceived there’s a chance to be aborted?
Tough to do if you’re already born
I suspect that fear is a likely reason. Sad.
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Old 10-20-2018, 06:03 AM
 
Location: City-Data Forum
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Maybe because being conceived there’s a chance to be aborted?

Tough to do if you’re already born
That or burned alive at the stake like God ordered Judah to do for his son's pregnant wife (who was pregnant coincidentally with Judah as the baby-daddy).

Then again, being already born doesn't save you from God's sickness and killing, as is outlined in the story where God sickens and kills David's baby in order to punish David. Look at the rising tide of diseases once preventable thanks to mass vaccination.
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Old 10-20-2018, 06:46 AM
 
Location: New England
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John 3. Unless one is born of water and the Spirit he will not see Heaven.

John 1:12....Those that believe have the right to become children of God.

Paul fleshes it out in his letters -- specifically 2 Cor. We are born sinners as descendants of Adam...but we need to be "born again" into the "New Adam" -- Jesus.

Here's a good link explaining it. https://www.gotquestions.org/born-again.html
If you are born again, which sounds like a huge invent in your life if you are an adult, surely you would be able to explain that experience with out the use of the got questions.
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Old 10-20-2018, 07:09 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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It looks pretty simple to me. It is simple Conversion, Brainwashing into a faith. I suspect that Deconversion feels the same way, it it's a positive realisation rather than a horror -stricken loss of something that was believed to be necessary for life.

The funny thing is that this self -brainwashing (if indeed it isn't Done Unto You in a Megachurch mass conversion rally) is thought to 'come down from on High'. Which is balls anyway, because God is supposed to be everywhere.
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Old 10-20-2018, 10:52 PM
 
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It looks pretty simple to me. It is simple Conversion, Brainwashing into a faith. I suspect that Deconversion feels the same way, it it's a positive realisation rather than a horror -stricken loss of something that was believed to be necessary for life.

The funny thing is that this self -brainwashing (if indeed it isn't Done Unto You in a Megachurch mass conversion rally) is thought to 'come down from on High'. Which is balls anyway, because God is supposed to be everywhere.
You think spiros7 is a born again Christian?
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