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Ah heck. Why would you make me repeat what I already explained to you (comment #487)? Who is prevented from understanding what here? I've really got to ask in all sincerity as no doubt it's a good time for me to sign off from here again, so I can now move onto getting started with preparing our customary Big Sunday Breakfast.
Here's to a good Labor Day weekend all. Stay cool, as it's going to be a real barn burner in parts of the country like ours!
I understand your frustration but as long as the word "consensus" is part of your conceptual definition of "universal truth" it is unresolvable. Enjoy the weekend and stay safe!
I've tried on my own (though I don't have to), and all I get is the same repeat of the same broken record you play the same way over and over. I'd suggest you need try to do the same thing with regard to my Ten Truths that are what they are, verbatim. No hidden messages. No need to fill in the blanks or connect the dots.
You don't need to look very hard to understand what I am calling "real truths," but you sure do seem to try real hard to complicate the simple, over and over again. Why I wonder.
Agree, disagree, all fine either way, but without specifics, I can't really know where the problem may lie with any of my truths. Be specific. Where's your hang up (if I haven't already addressed it more than once). Venturing into your line of reason and logic instead, your words and puzzles, is perhaps better suited for a thread about what you want to focus on instead.
You think?
I am not sure how to do it any different learnme. Thats a my bad. Totally on me.
To me, Your ten truths address and overall stance on how you think truths get passed down and propagate.
In that that light they are ok. They don't mean enough to me to even correct.
What I am asking you to do is use them in an accrual truth claim. Or more precisely, what people are claiming as the truth.
What you see is your truths. What I see is just another thing a person is saying is the truth.
I look to see who is actually talking to a more "universal truth". Who's truth is more reliable when compared to science data.
I understand your frustration but as long as the word "consensus" is part of your conceptual definition of "universal truth" it is unresolvable. Enjoy the weekend and stay safe!
I can't imagine how consensus being PART of the definition is "unresolvable," especially since I don't suggest it is necessary, but your frustration with these simple basics always seems to be about picking away at the edges rather than accepting the simple truth about what I've been trying to explain here...
I am not sure how to do it any different learnme. Thats a my bad. Totally on me.
To me, Your ten truths address and overall stance on how you think truths get passed down and propagate.
In that that light they are ok. They don't mean enough to me to even correct.
What I am asking you to do is use them in an accrual truth claim. Or more precisely, what people are claiming as the truth.
What you see is your truths. What I see is just another thing a person is saying is the truth.
I look to see who is actually talking to a more "universal truth". Who's truth is more reliable when compared to science data.
does that make sense?
Why is this so difficult for you too I wonder...
What's wrong with my truths being "just another thing a person is saying is the truth?" What's wrong with that? Would it help if I described them as "Ten Truths" (far as I'm concerned)? Am I doing any different than any other person explaining what they think is truth instead?
All manner of comment like yours that all dance around simply evaluating these truths as written. If you or anyone finds fault with any one of them, I invite the explanation. Agree they are truths as many have also done, that's fine too, but all this superfluous commentary that doesn't address what I am passing along as truths demonstrates a real want to avoid the fact that all ten are truths for all practical purposes.
I can't imagine how consensus being PART of the definition is "unresolvable," especially since I don't suggest it is necessary, but your frustration with these simple basics always seems to be about picking away at the edges rather than accepting the simple truth about what I've been trying to explain here...
It seems that the very concept is consensus...if we're talking about universal.
It seems that the very concept is consensus...if we're talking about universal.
Not if you understand the concept...
This is to say, universal truth exists whether everyone recognizes what it is or no one recognizes what it is. Consensus is simply one fact to consider among many when trying to recognize universal truth for what it is. What is the truth and what is not.
He seems to want a different definition of universal truth, Phet.
I don't call it universal consensus in any case. What I am referring to is universal truth as in universally true for all of us, whether we all recognize it for what it is or not. Big difference if you allow yourself to make these sorts of distinctions, but if I'm not mistaken you prefer to confuse the issue instead. For reasons I'm not too sure I understand too well...
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He seems to want a different definition of universal truth, Phet.
