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so is atheism more about religion than beliefs using the best information we have?
It's the religious that are making these claims about absolutes. Without the God claim, there wouldn't be atheists. Do you see Mystic as using his belief to mean "most likely possibility'? LOL He tries to draw my use of "mostly likely possibility" and equate it with "this is the way it is and anyone who doesn't get that is deficient".
So atheists can believe in Zeus. Mmmh, I see a problem with your less indolent and less torpid versions. Your vision also appears to be as bad as your arguments.
That is a problem with your logic, not atheism. You are confusing the concept with the actual alleged thing.
And L8Gr8Apost8 never mentioned a "lack of belief", so it appears you are trying to make a valid but irrelevant point.
Atheists can believe in Zeus...you can believe in whatever you want.
If you have a problem with the definitions...take that up with Collins, and Cambridge, etc. I just know what they are...so, take them however you will.
And I will believe what I do about that. L8G8A8 asked what I saw as the difference...and I answered the question. And noted the TOTN post that tried to validate the "don't have belief" concept. You musta missed that.
It's the religious that are making these claims about absolutes. Without the God claim, there wouldn't be atheists. Do you see Mystic as using his belief to mean "most likely possibility'? LOL He tries to draw my use of "mostly likely possibility" and equate it with "this is the way it is and anyone who doesn't get that is deficient".
some religious people. And since people are people, some atheist are of the same mind set.
My atheism is not in response to religion. I describe reality to the best of my ability, see how it matches, see how others compare, then draw a best fit line. Deny everything just isn't the most rational position.
But actually, based on the information mystic uses, his is up near top of possibilities. "cosmic mind" is plausible. To me anyway. But I am just dork whole.
It's the religious that are making these claims about absolutes. Without the God claim, there wouldn't be atheists. Do you see Mystic as using his belief to mean "most likely possibility'? LOL He tries to draw my use of "mostly likely possibility" and equate it with "this is the way it is and anyone who doesn't get that is deficient".
You are wrong, L8. My goal is to ensure that my views are UNDERSTOOD, not accepted. My attempts to clarify the understanding of the science (which often gets scuttled by the forum rules) are not to CONVINCE but to clarify. The same is true of the reasoning and logic of BELIEF which seems poorly understood (often deliberately with some) to support their preferred belief about what the status quo IS. Since they are atheists, they naturally think their negative BELIEF should be the truth until proven otherwise. But with the God issue, that does NOT apply.
You are wrong, L8. My goal is to ensure that my views are UNDERSTOOD, not accepted. My attempts to clarify the understanding of the science (which often gets scuttled by the forum rules) are not to CONVINCE but to clarify. The same is true of the reasoning and logic of BELIEF which seems poorly understood (often deliberately with some) to support their preferred belief about what the status quo IS. Since they are atheists, they naturally think their negative BELIEF should be the truth until proven otherwise. But with the God issue, that does NOT apply.
You're not coming across that way. You have at least two posters that get you. That's one more than you need so I don't understand why you keep on with trying to get more.
You're not coming across that way. You have at least two posters that get you. That's one more than you need so I don't understand why you keep on with trying to get more.
Why do any of you post here, L8? Is it just to waste time? We all want to be understood correctly by as many people as possible especially about what constitutes a BELIEF. The atheist nonsense of lack of belief constitutes a BELIEF. Ignorance about the IMPLICIT consequences of our views is no excuse for not understanding that just so they can retain their atheism as the truth until proven otherwise.
Atheists can believe in Zeus...you can believe in whatever you want.
If you have a problem with the definitions...take that up with Collins, and Cambridge, etc. I just know what they are...so, take them however you will.
And I will believe what I do about that. L8G8A8 asked what I saw as the difference...and I answered the question. And noted the TOTN post that tried to validate the "don't have belief" concept. You musta missed that.
One who lives by definitions doesn't understand much about life.
Why do any of you post here, L8? Is it just to waste time? We all want to be understood correctly by as many people as possible especially about what constitutes a BELIEF. The atheist nonsense of lack of belief constitutes a BELIEF. Ignorance about the IMPLICIT consequences of our views is no excuse for not understanding that just so they can retain their atheism as the truth until proven otherwise.
I got understood. Now I'm the one trying to understand. I've picked up quite a bit from people on here.
Here’s a friendly discussion between two atheists and a Christian about what it means to be an “atheist.” It deals with the same topics that we are in this thread.
(It makes the point that, when dealing with a topic that cannot be proved with certainty, “burden of justification” is probably more apt than “burden of proof.”)
Unbelievable? [podcast] Is atheism a "lack of belief"?
Guests: Calum Miller, Paul Orton & Non Stamp Collector
Why do any of you post here, L8? Is it just to waste time? We all want to be understood correctly by as many people as possible especially about what constitutes a BELIEF. The atheist nonsense of lack of belief constitutes a BELIEF.
A NEGATIVE belief.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Ignorance about the IMPLICIT consequences of our views is no excuse for not understanding that ...
Yet atheists are allegedly dishonestly defining atheism to avoid this that many are ignorant of.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
... just so they can retain their atheism as the truth until proven otherwise.
Do YOU post here just to waste time? We have explained this so many times there must be some reason you keep repeating this straw man.
We are not claiming atheism is the truth, we are saying we have no reason to believe your claims unless you provide credible evidence.
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