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There is where I don't agree with you, BF. I don't believe that ALL divorce is "sinful", especially since Christ told us, "But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Matt 5:32
That tells me that divorce would be allowed, provided that the marriage was "unlawful". The term "unlawful" has been interpreted to mean 'adulterous' in some way.
So, because of Jesus' words, I don't believe that ALL divorce is "sinful".
and mink, its even simpler than that. based on knowing jesus as you do and people as you do. Is it rational to assume a guy like Jesus wouldn't understand? Understand that it more healthy for all involved to take certain actions?
and mink, its even simpler than that. based on knowing jesus as you do and people as you do. Is it rational to assume a guy like Jesus wouldn't understand? Understand that it more healthy for all involved to take certain actions?
I think the bible provides for that, Arach. 1 Corinthians 7:15 says, "If the unbelieving partner desires to separate, let it be so; in such a case the brother or sister is not bound. For God has called us to peace."
I think the key here is what an "unbelieving" partner is, and what "separates" means. If a man (for example) marries a woman and proceeds to beat her up--either physically, emotionally or both--is he truly a "believing" partner? Doesn't Jesus teach us that we should "build each other up" (and not tear each other down)?
If the unbelieving partner joins with a believer in matrimony, and commits these hateful acts, hasn't (s)he already "separated" from us?
There is where I don't agree with you, BF. I don't believe that ALL divorce is "sinful", especially since Christ told us, "But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Matt 5:32
That tells me that divorce would be allowed, provided that the marriage was "unlawful". The term "unlawful" has been interpreted to mean 'adulterous' in some way.
So, because of Jesus' words, I don't believe that ALL divorce is "sinful".
You're right. I should have said that. Yes--in instances of adultery it's allowed. And abandonment also seems to be allowed per Paul's writings in 1 Cor 7, as noted above.
There is where I don't agree with you, BF. I don't believe that ALL divorce is "sinful", especially since Christ told us, "But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Matt 5:32
That tells me that divorce would be allowed, provided that the marriage was "unlawful". The term "unlawful" has been interpreted to mean 'adulterous' in some way.
So, because of Jesus' words, I don't believe that ALL divorce is "sinful".
I heard a rabbi talk about this. Back in the day, all a husband had to do, to divorce his wife was to tell her "I divorce you" and then kick her out of the house. No OTHER man would have her, because there was no proof that she was divorced, and for all the other man knew, she was still married. According to the rabbi, that passage should be understood that the divorcing husband should write up a certificate of divorce, so that she could show that she was, indeed, free to marry someone else.
You're right. I should have said that. Yes--in instances of adultery it's allowed. And abandonment also seems to be allowed per Paul's writings in 1 Cor 7, as noted above.
What is the good at staying in a very bad or abusive marriage? Living in a nightmare just because your book says to suffer it seems like a sin in wasting people's lives.
Being married for almost 50 years still loving my wife and considering each other our best friend I cannot imagine having to live with someone I not only no longer love but cannot stand being with at all. As this is not the Christianity forum I don't care what your Bible says but I do understand how some of the people I know felt in their marriages and how they feel now that has ended some time ago.
What is the good at staying in a very bad or abusive marriage? Living in a nightmare just because your book says to suffer it seems like a sin in wasting people's lives.
Being married for almost 50 years still loving my wife and considering each other our best friend I cannot imagine having to live with someone I not only no longer love but cannot stand being with at all. As this is not the Christianity forum I don't care what your Bible says but I do understand how some of the people I know felt in their marriages and how they feel now that has ended some time ago.
Whoa...time out! Didn't you just read that our "book" does NOT say that we should "suffer" in an abusive marriage?
If one is an abuser, then they're OBVIOUSLY not a "believer"!
What is the good at staying in a very bad or abusive marriage? Living in a nightmare just because your book says to suffer it seems like a sin in wasting people's lives.
Being married for almost 50 years still loving my wife and considering each other our best friend I cannot imagine having to live with someone I not only no longer love but cannot stand being with at all. As this is not the Christianity forum I don't care what your Bible says but I do understand how some of the people I know felt in their marriages and how they feel now that has ended some time ago.
But that's the thing badlander, it DOESN'T say "stay and suffer". It has been interpreted by SOME as such, but the Bible DOESN'T say that.
I am Catholic, and I can tell you that Catholics don't "often" annul marriages. The annulment process through the Catholic church is a very long, drawn out process that doesn't always result in receiving an annulment...no matter HOW much money you're willing to pay for it.
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