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But now you are talking about law, which is different from religion.
Religion has laws as well. Prescriptions on how to live, how to act, responsibilities to self, others, community, to environment. Secular laws are inspired by religious laws and thoughts. When Oppenhimer dropped the atom bomb, he was inspired to quote from the Bhagavad Gita.
Religion has laws as well. Prescriptions on how to live, how to act, responsibilities to self, others, community, to environment. Secular laws are inspired by religious laws and thoughts. When Oppenhimer dropped the atom bomb, he was inspired to quote from the Bhagavad Gita.
Yeah, that's not in question, and is sort of a Captain Obvious statement, so I'm not sure what your point is here.
I was responding specifically to rstevens's words, which are true outside of religion:
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To enjoy life and have a decent quality of life, one must follow the rules and behave.
An example...what do you think prevents most people from going out and robbing a bank? Is it their personal desire to be obedient and refrain from stealing...or is it that many just do not want to pay the consequences of doing that, and give up their quality of life, freedom?
This is why we have laws in place in this world, it relies heavily on people wanting to avoid those consequences.
Whatever their original source, laws exist for and are respected by non-believers, as well.
Religion has laws as well. Prescriptions on how to live, how to act, responsibilities to self, others, community, to environment. Secular laws are inspired by religious laws and thoughts.
No, religion adopts the laws of the current environment, and then freezes them until a better view comes along. That is why we do not follow the laws of the OT, because they are often not that good.
The secular laws we in the West follow are based on philosophical and logical arguments made by the ancient Greeks. A lot of ancient Greek philosophy was independent of religious beliefs.
Anyone who believes the entire point of Christianity is to "do good", meaning to feed people, give money, etc....is just missing the point. No one expects that of other non-profit groups they may belong to. The local VFW isn't judged by how many lunches they hand out. They have a different purpose.
The point of a church is to be a collection of people that gather in worship together of Almighty God. As a secondary mission, no church who wants to glorify God doesn't do things like feed people and provide for those that need help, but that's not our primary goal. We don't exist ONLY to run a food pantry. We exist to worship God and foster spiritual growth. And spiritual growth benefits a community. If you doubt that just take a look at the world when we fail to value the things God values. We're seeing it now in our culture.
Anyone who believes the entire point of Christianity is to "do good", meaning to feed people, give money, etc....is just missing the point. No one expects that of other non-profit groups they may belong to. The local VFW isn't judged by how many lunches they hand out. They have a different purpose.
The point of a church is to be a collection of people that gather in worship together of Almighty God. As a secondary mission, no church who wants to glorify God doesn't do things like feed people and provide for those that need help, but that's not our primary goal. We don't exist ONLY to run a food pantry. We exist to worship God and foster spiritual growth. And spiritual growth benefits a community. If you doubt that just take a look at the world when we fail to value the things God values. We're seeing it now in our culture.
What are you talking about? You folks keep claiming that you're in the vast majority in the country. Why are failing so badly?
We can only deal with one thread at a time, and address only one post and its content at a time. I expect those who posted what you claim were adequately responded to in that thread. I dont see atheists being exactly shy in responding to attacks like that.
I am only addressing the post i responded to and its lack of authenticity. In any case everyone has right to express their opinion, and do so often and repeatedly, and some may hurt.
I didn't say, or even imply that such statements were made in only one thread. Such statements were made many times by several different people over multiple thread covering several years.
I don't see how you could have read my post to mean that it only took place in one thread.
It is also insulting to religious people themselves because it suggests that they are moral not because the have empathy, compassion, kindness, selflessness or general good character, but only because they fear god's wrath and punishment.
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Who exactly is suggesting this? A passive aggressive voice?
Nobody, believer or not, would say this. They will only see the goodness in the act. And even if the fear of god keeps one on the straight and narrow what is wrong with that. He will reap the rewards, in this world and the next. It is a win win.
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We can only deal with one thread at a time, and address only one post and its content at a time. I expect those who posted what you claim were adequately responded to in that thread. I dont see atheists being exactly shy in responding to attacks like that.
I am only addressing the post i responded to and its lack of authenticity. In any case everyone has right to express their opinion, and do so often and repeatedly, and some may hurt.
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Yeah, that's not in question, and is sort of a Captain Obvious statement, so I'm not sure what your point is here.
I was responding specifically to rstevens's words:
Whatever their original source, laws exist for and are respected by non-believers, as well.
Being Theologically affiliated is (and has been) The Way of the World. 8 to 9 out of 10.
This is such a saturation of the populace, that anything done (including legislative) will be influenced by it.
And any laws/ordinances/regulations that are created by these majority Religion influenced people will apply to everyone in the jurisdiction.
I didn't say, or even imply that such statements were made in only one thread. Such statements were made many times by several different people over multiple thread covering several years.
I don't see how you could have read my post to mean that it only took place in one thread.
Ok then. Whatever threads these words were exchanged were, I assume, those threads were responded to adequately, over the years.
Is that better? I don't know what you expect me to say. I don't carry the entire epistemology of R&S in my head when I respond to one post. It is not that important in my life.
Yeah, that's not in question, and is sort of a Captain Obvious statement, so I'm not sure what your point is here.
I was responding specifically to rstevens's words, which are true outside of religion:
Whatever their original source, laws exist for and are respected by non-believers, as well.
The point is the laws that are made in a secular democratic state are inspired by religious laws. That is one of the ways Religion does Good, to keep up with the topic. While those laws originally organized the community, now they are adopted by the state. And yes everyone is bound by it.
I guess I am not sure what your point is.
Ok then. Whatever threads these words were exchanged were, I assume, those threads were responded to adequately, over the years.
Is that better? I don't know what you expect me to say. I don't carry the entire epistemology of R&S in my head when I respond to one post. It is not that important in my life.
You said, incorrectly, that nobody would ever say such a thing. All I did was correct your error. Those statements toward nonbelievers haven't been made for several years, and they may very well predate your participation in the R&S forums. If you don't believe me, you can go search old threads in the Atheism and Agnosticism forum and read them yourself.
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