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It's only an analogy as it's beyond intellectual comprehension and therefore language. If That could be described in detail, that wouldn't be That.
It really can't be explained, only realized as the knowing of direct and raw experience/qualia.
In Samadhi it's the knowing of experience of absence.
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Originally Posted by chief scum
I removed the color from the word "knowing", as it is not in agreement with the bolded sentence, which suggests the seeking of complete darkness.
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Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy
In Samadhi objects, including thought, drop away but not the knowing they are absent. That remains and is the same knowing of presence of objects.
Knowing is emphasized because it's not an intellectual knowing. That is what illumines both knowing and not knowing.
In the post at the top, you claim "beyond intellectual comprehension and therefore language" placing whatever it is you are talking about above and beyond God's word, which includes God's First Spoken.
The Satan/serpents beguiling lie was that she would be as God, in following his word over and above God's word. Claiming God out of one side of his mouth while denying God out of the other side of his mouth, while at the same time declaring his word above all.
I recently contracted a severe case of shingles on/in my right ear.
It has permanently damaged my vestibular system, and now requires physical therapy to regain balance. My hearing, and word comprehension has also been affected.
The shingles also caused bells palsy which damaged the 7th and 8th facial nerves.
Affecting taste, smell, and vision.
The physical therapy involves traing the brain to create different synapses to make up for the damage. In other words part of my brain stopped working, and other parts have to pick up the slack.
My senses and perception have technically changed.
But I'm the same person. The same individual. No difference at all ( except I'm an impatient and lousey patient ) in my self awareness.
I know I'm no mental vegetable, but my current reality has changed.Physiologically, the tools of perception have been damaged.
What's fascinating about this whole thing is my glimpse into the future, when all of me begins decaying more rapidly. Eventually nothing will work. But I'll still be me.
(PS: I have some great doctors and physical therapists. I've made major improvements and suspect at the end of the day I'll just have some hearing loss. Spent several hours this morning trimming palm trees. So I'm not that bad)
I recently contracted a severe case of shingles on/in my right ear.
It has permanently damaged my vestibular system, and now requires physical therapy to regain balance. My hearing, and word comprehension has also been affected.
The shingles also caused bells palsy which damaged the 7th and 8th facial nerves.
Affecting taste, smell, and vision.
The physical therapy involves traing the brain to create different synapses to make up for the damage. In other words part of my brain stopped working, and other parts have to pick up the slack.
My senses and perception have technically changed.
But I'm the same person. The same individual. No difference at all ( except I'm an impatient and lousey patient ) in my self awareness.
I know I'm no mental vegetable, but my current reality has changed.Physiologically, the tools of perception have been damaged.
What's fascinating about this whole thing is my glimpse into the future, when all of me begins decaying more rapidly. Eventually nothing will work. But I'll still be me.
(PS: I have some great doctors and physical therapists. I've made major improvements and suspect at the end of the day I'll just have some hearing loss. Spent several hours this morning trimming palm trees. So I'm not that bad)
First let me say here's to a speedy recovery!
Yes, that sense of "I"ness. Out of one side of my mouth I can honestly say I'm not the same man I was 5 years ago, a decade back, when I was a teenager, a child, an infant, yet out of the other side of my mouth I can honestly say I've always been here exactly as I am here now. Unchanged amidst all the changes of body and mind.
The Satan/serpents beguiling lie was that she would be as God, in following his word over and above God's word. Claiming God out of one side of his mouth while denying God out of the other side of his mouth, while at the same time declaring his word above all.
That is not what the text says.
The text was not written by the Hebrews. They merely copied a far older existing text and then like you they didn't understand it and did a hack job on it.
In the original text, Enki had an argument with Enlil.
Enki is the serpent god whose symbol was two snakes intertwined on a cross (the caduceus used to indicate medical professionals in our modern world) and who created humans (with the help of his half-sister Ninhursag and his son Ningishiddza who is also a serpent god).
Enlil is his half-brother and chief god who did not participate in the creation of humans and hated humans.
Enki wanted to give the humans he created knowledge to survive and prosper.
Enlil hated humans and didn't want them to survive and prosper which is also why when it was learned a celestial phenomenon would result in a massive tsunami that would wipe out most humans, Enlil forbade the gods to warn humans, lest some escape the tsunami. Enki who created and loved humans went behind Enlil's back and warned humans anyway.
Likewise, in spite of Enlil's protestations, Enki went behind his back and gave humans knowledge to survive and prosper.
Yahweh is not Enlil because in the Hebrew pantheon those are two separate distinct gods.
And, Yahweh is not Enki or Ningishiddza the serpent gods, and he's certainly not the female Ninhursag, so Yahweh did not create humans.
When we find older versions of the E and P texts, you will see where it says Enki, Ningishiddza, and Ninhursag created humans and then you can go sit in a corner and sulk.
Yes, that sense of "I"ness. Out of one side of my mouth I can honestly say I'm not the same man I was 5 years ago, a decade back, when I was a teenager, a child, an infant, yet out of the other side of my mouth I can honestly say I've always been here exactly as I am here now. Unchanged amidst all the changes of body and mind.
That sense of "I"ness is qualia. What knows it?
Ist thank you. I'm doing great, and hesitated to share.
I find this topic critical, in light of recent developments in AI and nano technology. I think many will be wrestling with these ideas for a long time to come.
What is becoming more and more clear to me on a scientific and terrestrial level, is how little we will ultimately rely on flesh, or that which is organic.
Could these developments be described optimistically, as a decrease in fleshly things, and an increase in " Spiritual " things??
The text was not written by the Hebrews. They merely copied a far older existing text and then like you they didn't understand it and did a hack job on it.
In the original text, Enki had an argument with Enlil.
Enki is the serpent god whose symbol was two snakes intertwined on a cross (the caduceus used to indicate medical professionals in our modern world) and who created humans (with the help of his half-sister Ninhursag and his son Ningishiddza who is also a serpent god).
Enlil is his half-brother and chief god who did not participate in the creation of humans and hated humans.
Enki wanted to give the humans he created knowledge to survive and prosper.
Enlil hated humans and didn't want them to survive and prosper which is also why when it was learned a celestial phenomenon would result in a massive tsunami that would wipe out most humans, Enlil forbade the gods to warn humans, lest some escape the tsunami. Enki who created and loved humans went behind Enlil's back and warned humans anyway.
Likewise, in spite of Enlil's protestations, Enki went behind his back and gave humans knowledge to survive and prosper.
Yahweh is not Enlil because in the Hebrew pantheon those are two separate distinct gods.
And, Yahweh is not Enki or Ningishiddza the serpent gods, and he's certainly not the female Ninhursag, so Yahweh did not create humans.
When we find older versions of the E and P texts, you will see where it says Enki, Ningishiddza, and Ninhursag created humans and then you can go sit in a corner and sulk.
Concerning the bolded, what I wrote is contained within what is written in the Torah. You can accuse me of a hack job if you want. I stay within the framework of God's word and it makes perfect sense to me.
I think of the qualia as the illumination. Ie With awareness I can understand what a table is used for but the table has no understanding of it's purpose.
With “Illumination” you are aware that you know what a table is. You know what a table is because you have seen it, understood what it is, and how it is used. Awareness/“Illumination” is how you know that you know this.
If you see a letter written in Chinese (and you cant read Chinese) you know you dont know Chinese, and that too is Awareness/Illumination.
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