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It's awefully convenient that homosexuality is considered contrary to this deity's 'purpose.' Why not getting off the recliner to stop bigotry or genocide. Homosexuality doesn't even hurt anyone. Why don't people trust 'god' when he supposedly told people in the NT that keeping slaves is okay.
It always amazes me when the protesters show up at our events with their signs and bull horns. Oh Yeah, like that's going to change our minds. Last year they were at the GLBT Film Festival here with their signs and their bullhorns. Many of the people at the festival took photos making out in front of them It was quite funny. Clearly the christians that go around telling us we need to be saved and protesting at our events don't really care if they "convert" any gay people (it's clearly a useless exercise). I think their motives must be to make themselves feel better or to try and quell their own homosexual leanings.
It's awefully convenient that homosexuality is considered contrary to this deity's 'purpose.' Why not getting off the recliner to stop bigotry or genocide. Homosexuality doesn't even hurt anyone. Why don't people trust 'god' when he supposedly told people in the NT that keeping slaves is okay.
If you do not know Greek, why are you familiar with this term?
I saw it on a website that said the greek term for homosexual would have been paiderasste and that if Paul had wanted to say homosexual he would have used that term. Since it appeared on the internet (and I don't believe everything on the internet) I posted it here for a meaning.
So.. Ya got me nate.. good one Inspector Clueso
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If you do not already know what the term means, how would you even know it is relevant to this discussion at all?
See my explanation.. right above.
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This term doesn't appear in the NT
Right.. or at least as far as I know it doesn't.
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...if you want to say it refers to "male homosexual,"
I don't want to say anything. I'm asking what the definition is. Do you know what the definition is?
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then you at least must disagree with TwiloMike and say that "homosexuality" was recognized at the time of the writing of the NT
I haven't read all of Twilo's posts. I'm still trying to get a definition of paiderasste. Remember when I said I didn't know Greek.. and was asking for that definition... once I get that I'll move on to Phase II. Operation "Fact Checking".
I saw it on a website that said the greek term for homosexual would have been paiderasste and that if Paul had wanted to say homosexual he would have used that term. Since it appeared on the internet (and I don't believe everything on the internet) I posted it here for a meaning.
I don't want to say anything. I'm asking what the definition is. Do you know what the definition is?
I haven't read all of Twilo's posts. I'm still trying to get a definition of paiderasste. Remember when I said I didn't know Greek.. and was asking for that definition... once I get that I'll move on to Phase II. Operation "Fact Checking".
I am familiar with Koine Greek, which is the Greek of the NT. Therefore, I only have studied the NT Greek. I am familiar with the word you are asking about, and I would assume that it would be used to refer to homosexuals in Jewish literature. It would seem that it may be word where we get the word "pederasty." In fact, it makes sense because some people claim the NT only condemns pederasty, not loving, homosexual relationships.
Obviously, you had to find out the word was relevant to the discussion somewhere...that is all I was wanting to know. I am not a Greek expert, so don't think I am claiming to be. I can read the NT with a little help here and there. I am still learning Greek right now, but I know enough to look at the text ad understand what is going on normally. Being the word under consideration is not in the NT, I have not learned it.
Why is it acceptable to 'god' that a straight couple should have a loving relationship and be to receive the enjoyment of sex, but it is wrong for a homosexual to have a loving relationship and receive the enjoyment of sex. Why can't a homosexual pursue a relationship and have the enjoyment that a heterosexual couple would from it. That seems ludicrous to me that it would be for two people to have sex when they love each other. I wonder what all of those people who oppose gay rights would say if that 'sin' were turned around and it would be considered a terrible 'sin' to live out the lifestyle of a heterosexual.
Actually one thing I find strange about the Bible is that romantic love is not emphasized much. It's usually all about the physical act and that seems counter to the overarching message of Love.
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It was quite funny. Clearly the christians that go around telling us we need to be saved and protesting at our events don't really care if they "convert" any gay people (it's clearly a useless exercise). I think their motives must be to make themselves feel better or to try and quell their own homosexual leanings.
Just ask..