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Old 11-23-2008, 12:31 AM
 
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The person of Jesus or Isa in Arabic (peace be upon him) is of great significance in both Islam and Christianity. However, there are differences in terms of beliefs about the nature and life occurrences of this noble Messenger.

Jesus: The Islamic and Christian Views Compared
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Old 11-23-2008, 07:09 AM
 
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Old 11-23-2008, 09:00 AM
 
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7. Do Muslims believe that Jesus was the son of God? NO
"Say: "God is Unique! God, the Source [of everything]. He has not fathered anyone nor was He fathered, and there is nothing comparable to Him!"
(Quran 112:1-4).

The Quran also states
"Such was Jesus, the son of Mary; it is a statement of truth, about which they vainly dispute. It is not befitting to the majesty of God, that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be' and it is"
(Quran 19:34-35)


also in another verse in sura #19

And they say: The Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a son. (88)

Assuredly ye utter a disastrous thing (89)

Whereby almost the heavens are torn, and the earth is split asunder and the mountains fall in ruins, (90)

That ye ascribe unto the Beneficent a son, (91)

When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) the Beneficent that He should choose a son. (92)

There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto the Beneficent as a slave. (93)

Verily He knoweth them and numbereth them with (right) numbering. (94)

And each one of them will come unto Him on the Day of Resurrection, alone. (95)
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Old 11-23-2008, 11:22 PM
 
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i read before that jesus (pbuh) said about himself in the bible " son of God" twice
and said about himself (son of man ) more than 80 times , is that true ?
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:45 AM
 
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i read before that jesus (pbuh) said about himself in the bible " son of God" twice
and said about himself (son of man ) more than 80 times , is that true ?
True, Jesus did refer to himself as "son of God".

But as you have stated, the expression "son of man", the Gospel accounts do refer to Jesus as "son of man" nearly 80 times. In the Hebrew, this is mainly the translation of the expression, ben-á-dham´. Instead of refering to the person, Adam, á-dham´is here used generically for "mankind", so the expression ben-á-dham´ means, in essence, "son of mankind", a human, an earthing son.

In the Hebrew scriptures or Old Testament, the most frequent occurance of the expression is in the book of Ezekiel, where over 90 times God addresses the prophet as "son of man". The designation as so used apparently serves to emphasize that the prophet is simply an earthling, thus heightening the contrast between the human spokesman and the Source of the message, the Most High God. In fact the same designation is applied to the prophet Daniel. Daniel 8:17

Again, as you've pointed out, the expression "son of man" is applied to Jesus Christ nearly 80 times, even being used by him to refer to himself.
Matthew 8:20 - 9:6 - 10:32 Incidentally, here are some occurrences outside the Gospels.
Acts 7:56 - Hebrews 2:6 - Revelation 1:13 & 14:14

You might also take note that Jesus is called the "son of David" (Matthew 1:1 & 9:27) emphasizing his being the heir of the Kingdom covenant to be fulfilled in David's line; his being called "son of man" calls attention to his being of the human race by virtue of his fleshly birth; his being called "Son of God" stresses of his being of divine origin, not descended from the sinner Adam or inheriting imperfection from him but having a fully righteous standing with God.
Matthew 16:13-17 - "New International Version"
BibleGateway.com - Passage Lookup: Matthew 16:13-17;

Hope that clarifies it for you.
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:37 AM
 
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7. Do Muslims believe that Jesus was the son of God? NO
"Say: "God is Unique! God, the Source [of everything]. He has not fathered anyone nor was He fathered, and there is nothing comparable to Him!"
(Quran 112:1-4).

The Quran also states
"Such was Jesus, the son of Mary; it is a statement of truth, about which they vainly dispute. It is not befitting to the majesty of God, that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be' and it is"
(Quran 19:34-35)
When Moslems insist, in the words of the Quran (5:76-79), that, "there is no God but one God", then certainly Christians would heartily agree, for the Bible itself declares, at 1 Corinthians 8:6 - "New International Version", that "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came". In the Quran God is "Allah", for in Arabic the word "Allah" literally means "the God". The Bible gives us his name, Isaiah 42:8 - "American Standard Version"
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"I am Jehovah , that is my name; and my glory I will not give to another, neither my praise unto graven images."
Unlike the faithless and apostate Jewish religious leaders of Jesus day, Jesus was not a coward, restrained by superstitious Jewish apostate traditions. He was not ashamed to make God's name known to mankind. When quoting the Hebrew scriptures, he would quote them word for word as they were inspired to be written at the beginning. Take for example Jesus take on who the true God was when he quoted Deuteronomy 6:4 at Mark 12:29
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"Jesus answered, The first is, 'Hear O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah"
Again, Jesus here quotes Deuteronomy 6:4 word for word as the earliest findings of the Greek Septuatgint of the New Testament by researchers have even discovered.

But when Christians use the expression "Son of God," Moslems vehemently protest, "God has no son". They quote the Quran which says, at Suras 4:169; 6:101; 9:36 - "God is only one God! Far be it from His glory that He should have a son" - "How, when He hath no consort, should He have a son" - "It beseemeth not God to beget a son."

Of course, it would be foolish for anyone to limit the power of God by saying, 'God cannot have a son.' Truthfully, the Quran proclaims, "Verily, God is Almighty" (2:9). He is the creator of the universe, of Heaven and Earth, and of the creatures in them. As God said to Abraham, that man of faith recognized by both Christians and Moslems, "Is anything too hard for Jehovah?", Genisis 18:14 - "American Standard version". A person who is really in submission to the omnipotent God must agree with the prophet who said, "but with God all things are possible" Matthew 19:26 - "American Standard Version"

No Moslem denies that it was God who created humans and endowed them with power to have sons. I think they would also agree that God created Adam with the power to have sons. The word "son" means, a human male considered with reference to his parents or either of them; a male descendant." Every male child or person has to be the son of someone who as father produced or generated his life. Thus, because Abdallah begot or generated the life of the one who became the prophet Mohammed, Mohammed is said to be the "son of Abdallah." Now what about the first forefather of Mohammed and all of us, the first man Adam - who was his father? Adam had no human father, still he had to be the son of someone. Of whom? God was his father. Hence Adam must have been the son of God. Correctly, the book containing the most ancient history of the human race says, at Luke 3:38 that Adam was "the son of God."

Now Moslems do recognize and believe in the Torah or the first five books of the Bible written by Moses and also the book of Job. I don't have the time to go into detail here, but at Genisis 6:4 - Job 1:6 Angels also are refered to as "Sons of God". God had created spirit sons (Angels) long before he created the physical surroundings which includes the universe, and the earth with it's human inhabitants. So the reality is that it is possible for God to have a son or sons.
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Old 11-24-2008, 05:11 AM
 
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When Moslems insist, in the words of the Quran (5:76-79), that, "there is no God but one God", then certainly Christians would heartily agree, for the Bible itself declares, at 1 Corinthians 8:6 - "New International Version", that "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came". In the Quran God is "Allah", for in Arabic the word "Allah" literally means "the God". The Bible gives us his name, Isaiah 42:8 - "American Standard Version"Unlike the faithless and apostate Jewish religious leaders of Jesus day, Jesus was not a coward, restrained by superstitious Jewish apostate traditions. He was not ashamed to make God's name known to mankind. When quoting the Hebrew scriptures, he would quote them word for word as they were inspired to be written at the beginning. Take for example Jesus take on who the true God was when he quoted Deuteronomy 6:4 at Mark 12:29Again, Jesus here quotes Deuteronomy 6:4 word for word as the earliest findings of the Greek Septuatgint of the New Testament by researchers have even discovered.

But when Christians use the expression "Son of God," Moslems vehemently protest, "God has no son". They quote the Quran which says, at Suras 4:169; 6:101; 9:36 - "God is only one God! Far be it from His glory that He should have a son" - "How, when He hath no consort, should He have a son" - "It beseemeth not God to beget a son."

Of course, it would be foolish for anyone to limit the power of God by saying, 'God cannot have a son.' Truthfully, the Quran proclaims, "Verily, God is Almighty" (2:9). He is the creator of the universe, of Heaven and Earth, and of the creatures in them. As God said to Abraham, that man of faith recognized by both Christians and Moslems, "Is anything too hard for Jehovah?", Genisis 18:14 - "American Standard version". A person who is really in submission to the omnipotent God must agree with the prophet who said, "but with God all things are possible" Matthew 19:26 - "American Standard Version"

No Moslem denies that it was God who created humans and endowed them with power to have sons. I think they would also agree that God created Adam with the power to have sons. The word "son" means, a human male considered with reference to his parents or either of them; a male descendant." Every male child or person has to be the son of someone who as father produced or generated his life. Thus, because Abdallah begot or generated the life of the one who became the prophet Mohammed, Mohammed is said to be the "son of Abdallah." Now what about the first forefather of Mohammed and all of us, the first man Adam - who was his father? Adam had no human father, still he had to be the son of someone. Of whom? God was his father. Hence Adam must have been the son of God. Correctly, the book containing the most ancient history of the human race says, at Luke 3:38 that Adam was "the son of God."

Now Moslems do recognize and believe in the Torah or the first five books of the Bible written by Moses and also the book of Job. I don't have the time to go into detail here, but at Genisis 6:4 - Job 1:6 Angels also are refered to as "Sons of God". God had created spirit sons (Angels) long before he created the physical surroundings which includes the universe, and the earth with it's human inhabitants. So the reality is that it is possible for God to have a son or sons.
Islam is specific and accurate, God has No son, all things are slaves and creatures created by Him.

You'll Not find a single verse in the holy Qur'an stating any creature as the son of God.

Holy Qur'an chapter 3

59. The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.


Peace
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Old 11-24-2008, 05:36 AM
 
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Islam is specific and accurate, God has No son, all things are slaves and creatures created by Him.

You'll Not find a single verse in the holy Qur'an stating any creature as the son of God.

Holy Qur'an chapter 3

59. The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

Peace
But Adam is still refered to as God's son and so are the spirit creatures in the heavenly realms who are called Angels. I understand you may be disappointed in that, but that is the reality.

The very first prophecy ever given to mankind is mentioned at Genisis 3:15 has yet to be completely fulfilled. The Bible does address this prophecy in Revelation Chapter 12. Where does the Quran explain this prophecy ??? Keep in mind, Genisis is a book recognized by Moslems.
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:10 AM
 
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When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) the Beneficent that He should choose a son. (19:92)
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:30 AM
 
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When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) the Beneficent that He should choose a son. (19:92)
And your point ???
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