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Old 02-13-2009, 10:26 AM
 
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No. God is not allah in English.

allah is the name of a false god created by mohammed. Your deity is very different from the Trinitarian God of the Bible.
Well...the Trinitarian God of the Bible was created by Paul....a person who had never walked with Jesus but completely altered the perception of God from a single Supreme Being into a trinity of sub-gods or is it a single god divided into 3 or is it a family of God ie Father,Son,Holy Ghost(??)....all via some kind of divine dreams that this Paul was supposed to have.
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Old 02-13-2009, 11:06 AM
 
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who is god? who is allah? just wondering what proof we actually have of coming in contact with an invisible creator to actually name these deity's god and allah for the first time.
I have a question didn't muhammad say that he heard from God in a cave. But wasn't he so troubled while he was there that he tried to commit suicide many times? But then it is said that then the Angel Gabriel came to him.

Didn't Muhammad have many wives and one of those wifes was a 10 year old girl and a 7 year old girl.

Initially, Muhammad doubted that he was being called by Allah to be a prophet. Others, including his wife and a cousin, counseled him by saying that Allah would only be truthful to him and would not allow him to be deceived. Muhammad became convinced and even wrote in the Qur'an, "Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe

So, he even doubted it, but was convinced by family. Also when someone has an encounter with God do you hear of them wanting to kill themselves, unless they are encountering something else? To me it does not sound like Muhammad was experiencing God.

(It became the mission of Muhammad to proclaim the truth of Islam, given to him by Allah, through the angel Gabriel). But when an angel comes, don't they only come on God's word. So, if Muhammad was hearing from God, would he not have said that he was proclaiming the truth of Islam given by God, or given by an angel from God.

Muhammad does not sound like someone that I would want to follow. He says that he heard from God in a cave, but wanted to give himself. allah is not God. God gave his name and His name is Yahweh, the great I AM.
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:23 PM
 
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I have a question didn't muhammad say that he heard from God in a cave. But wasn't he so troubled while he was there that he tried to commit suicide many times? But then it is said that then the Angel Gabriel came to him. .
I'm afraid you got it all wrong about the Propeht trying to kill himself before the Angel Gabriel came to him. Please read carefully.

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Didn't Muhammad have many wives and one of those wifes was a 10 year old girl and a 7 year old girl.
Joseph, Mary's husband was 90 years old when he married 12-14 years old Mary. Was he a pedophile? Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to the Prophet, and that no Muslims or even pagans objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. In fact, child brides as young as 8 were common among the Byzantine emperors and nobility. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected to the Prophet's marriage was people used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 and the conditions make a girl reach puberty much earlier.

As for his many wives - pray tell me how many wives does David have or Solomon? Hundreds maybe thousands. If Muhammad s.a.w wanted to marry just for the sake of marrying he would have married only young and pretty girls but he didn't. The only young virgin that he married was Aisha. The others were married to forge alliances etc. In fact, when he was married to his first wife Khatijah, she was his only wife until the day she died.

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Initially, Muhammad doubted that he was being called by Allah to be a prophet. Others, including his wife and a cousin, counseled him by saying that Allah would only be truthful to him and would not allow him to be deceived. Muhammad became convinced and even wrote in the Qur'an, "Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe

So, he even doubted it, but was convinced by family. Also when someone has an encounter with God do you hear of them wanting to kill themselves, unless they are encountering something else? To me it does not sound like Muhammad was experiencing God.

(It became the mission of Muhammad to proclaim the truth of Islam, given to him by Allah, through the angel Gabriel). But when an angel comes, don't they only come on God's word. So, if Muhammad was hearing from God, would he not have said that he was proclaiming the truth of Islam given by God, or given by an angel from God.

Muhammad does not sound like someone that I would want to follow. He says that he heard from God in a cave, but wanted to give himself. allah is not God. God gave his name and His name is Yahweh, the great I AM.
Assuming that the hadith is truly authentic, the whole issue of the Prophet contemplating suicide really doesn't prove anything against his Prophethood. The Prophet did not go around jumping from the mountain and surviving and failing to kill himself. No, he did not throw him self because Gabriel came and stopped him. If the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was truly inspired by Satan then Satan would order him to jump and kill him self just like how he tried to do with Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 4. Plus who was sending down these revelations to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) anyways? If these were the words of the Prophet Muhammad himself then why would the Prophet purposely do such a thing to him self? This Quran must have been coming from a supernatural source. Is that supernatural source Satan? Does the author of the Quran identify himself as Satan or as God? Allah is just one of the numerous Glorious names of God
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:27 PM
 
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Be your own Prophet. Pray and Listen. Peace.
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Old 02-13-2009, 01:07 PM
 
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No. God is not allah in English.

allah is the name of a false god created by mohammed. Your deity is very different from the Trinitarian God of the Bible.
the facts which you can never alter is that trintian christians of arabs pray to allah.
allah is the one supreme God for muslims and christians and jews in arab countries , lol
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:35 PM
 
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who is god? who is allah? just wondering what proof we actually have of coming in contact with an invisible creator to actually name these deity's god and allah for the first time.

Allah is a figment of the imagination of Mohammed. No one has ever actually seen allah, not even Mohammed. Mohammed was visited by Satan disguised as an angel of light because Mohammed's experience with that "angel" was shrouded in darkness and torment which made Mohammed feel he was going insane and commit suicide.



And since Allah wasn't mentioned until the 6th century a.d., then allah abandoned his people for longer than he has allegedly communicated with them. So he isn't a god at all, he's Satan.
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:51 PM
 
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Allah is a figment of the imagination of Mohammed. No one has ever actually seen allah, not even Mohammed. Mohammed was visited by Satan disguised as an angel of light because Mohammed's experience with that "angel" was shrouded in darkness and torment which made Mohammed feel he was going insane and commit suicide.
And since Allah wasn't mentioned until the 6th century a.d., then allah abandoned his people for longer than he has allegedly communicated with them. So he isn't a god at all, he's Satan.
Hahaha! Them weed must be especially potent
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Old 02-13-2009, 02:57 PM
 
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Hahaha! Them weed must be especially potent

All one has to do is read a biography of Mohammed to see that what I said is true.
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Old 02-13-2009, 03:00 PM
 
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And since Allah wasn't mentioned until the 6th century a.d., .
God is an English word
and the language of Jesus was not English
so when Jesus says God he doesn't say God
he says Allah
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Old 02-13-2009, 05:58 PM
 
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God is an English word
and the language of Jesus was not English
so when Jesus says God he doesn't say God
he says Allah

When God or Lord is translated it is Yahweh or Elohim, not allah
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