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Old 03-19-2009, 10:53 AM
 
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Many Evangelical Christians (not all) believe that humans have free will in regards to "sin" and salvation, that is, it is up to people individually to "choose" to accept or reject Christ. This free will is important they say because God "doesn't want robots", a phrase often used by Christians when talking about free will. However, Evangelical Christians (not all) also believe in the "Age of Accountability", that is, babies and young children who die are exempted from having to "choose" to accept Jesus as savior because they are too young to understand right from wrong.

Now do you all see the clash of doctrines here? If free will is so damn important to God (remember, he doesn't want robots) then what of the young ones who die? They didn't make a "choice" for or against Christ, yet they get a free pass to heaven. Are these young ones like "robots" in heaven? Further, if God is okay with babies and young children in heaven without having exercised "free will", they why is God not okay with everyone else getting a free pass? Could not have Almighty God created a race of intelligent beings that had short life spans so they too could get a free pass to paradise? Then no one would be in hell.
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Old 03-19-2009, 05:29 PM
 
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Many Evangelical Christians (not all) believe that humans have free will in regards to "sin" and salvation, that is, it is up to people individually to "choose" to accept or reject Christ. This free will is important they say because God "doesn't want robots", a phrase often used by Christians when talking about free will. However, Evangelical Christians (not all) also believe in the "Age of Accountability", that is, babies and young children who die are exempted from having to "choose" to accept Jesus as savior because they are too young to understand right from wrong.

Now do you all see the clash of doctrines here? If free will is so damn important to God (remember, he doesn't want robots) then what of the young ones who die? They didn't make a "choice" for or against Christ, yet they get a free pass to heaven. Are these young ones like "robots" in heaven? Further, if God is okay with babies and young children in heaven without having exercised "free will", they why is God not okay with everyone else getting a free pass? Could not have Almighty God created a race of intelligent beings that had short life spans so they too could get a free pass to paradise? Then no one would be in hell.
For the little ones who have died and did not know Christ, of course He will not send them to Hell. They will be with Him, in Heaven. Why would God send a baby to Hell, expecially if they did not know anything or do any evil? God is a just God who does things in order.

Hell is all about evil and what a person choose in life. HEll is for evil and wicked people, and a baby who dies early or what ever the case may be, is not evil and will be far from Hell. My opinion of this is how I see it and others may think differently.
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Old 03-19-2009, 05:34 PM
 
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For the little ones who have died and did not know Christ, of course He will not send them to Hell.
Well, how about people who are short? Will we get a break and maybe only have to attend a counseling session or maybe get probation? Just wondering.
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Old 03-19-2009, 06:15 PM
 
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For the little ones who have died and did not know Christ, of course He will not send them to Hell. They will be with Him, in Heaven. Why would God send a baby to Hell, expecially if they did not know anything or do any evil? God is a just God who does things in order.

Hell is all about evil and what a person choose in life. HEll is for evil and wicked people, and a baby who dies early or what ever the case may be, is not evil and will be far from Hell. My opinion of this is how I see it and others may think differently.
So babies get to heaven without having to exercise "free will". But we are told by Christians that free will is important, that God "doesn't want robots". Do you see what I'm getting at? If free will is so important, if lacking said free will is somehow dehumanizing, then what of the infants who die? Why is it not dehumanizing for them? Why does God force them into heaven?

Furthermore, if God has no problem taking people into heaven who have not exercised free will, then could he have not set things up to where ALL people could get into heaven, perhaps by making a race of humans to die as infants?
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Old 03-19-2009, 07:19 PM
 
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So babies get to heaven without having to exercise "free will". But we are told by Christians that free will is important, that God "doesn't want robots". Do you see what I'm getting at? If free will is so important, if lacking said free will is somehow dehumanizing, then what of the infants who die? Why is it not dehumanizing for them? Why does God force them into heaven?

Furthermore, if God has no problem taking people into heaven who have not exercised free will, then could he have not set things up to where ALL people could get into heaven, perhaps by making a race of humans to die as infants?
Know I don't get what you are saying, and really does not make since to me, no offence.

Why do you see Heaven as a force from God, meaning if they die young that God brought them into heaven as forcing them, like they would be mad and would rather have been Hell.

How can a baby exercise free-will if they don't know what it is. Babies die all the time. So, God want send them to HEll.

The salvation of those who cannot cognitively understand their sinful condition or God’s cure is a mystery.

In the Gospel of Luke that John the Baptist was "filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother’s womb" (Luke 1:15). From these passages we can at least deduce that it is possible to be saved as a pre-born infant.

Isn't this an example of God placing some righteous standingor at least a special spiritual sanctifying workon someone even though he is a sinner but is too young to have confessed his sinfulness or made any conscious yielding to God?

So, from my understanding if God is willing to fill a baby with the Holy Spirit in the womb then it seems that He would bring the baby that He filled into Heaven if the baby died.
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Old 03-19-2009, 08:05 PM
 
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Well for me, if God can send anyone to hell to suffer eternally for "sins" committed in this short, sad life, then its really not a stretch to think that he could do the same to infants.
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Old 03-19-2009, 08:19 PM
 
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Well for me, if God can send anyone to hell to suffer eternally for "sins" committed in this short, sad life, then its really not a stretch to think that he could do the same to infants.
Don't get me wrong, but I think that you are misinterpting the big picture. People who are going to Hell, chose that path in life. People can choose to live for God or reject him. That is what free-will is about. They are free to reject God, but are sending themself to Hell. That is not God's fault, but their own.
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