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Old 07-06-2009, 11:14 AM
 
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Old 07-06-2009, 11:19 AM
 
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By your logic we should not look down on rape either. Some people find that to be a "natural" drive.
I dont think you know what rape is...
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Old 07-06-2009, 11:23 AM
 
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I dont think you know what rape is...

It's a horrible sin by one person against another person.
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Old 07-06-2009, 11:29 AM
 
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By your logic we should not look down on rape either. Some people find that to be a "natural" drive.
Rape is force. Where do I mention that? You're trying to make my view look bad (as if I endorse rape) because you can't counter the part that religion throws dirt on sex. Religion has a history of mutilating the human mind to unhealthy proportions. Believers can be expected to evade questions and use unfair tactics.
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Old 07-06-2009, 11:33 AM
 
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Rape is force. Where do I mention that? You're trying to make my view look bad (as if I endorse rape) because you can't counter the part that religion throws dirt on sex. Religion has a history of mutilating the human mind to unhealthy proportions. Believers can be expected to evade questions and use unfair tactics.
I've never denied that religion speaks badly of pre-marital sex. I agree that it does.

My point is that you seem to think it's a good thing. Both adultery/fornication and rape are really an inability to live up to God's commandments about how we should act in regards to our physical desires.

Just don't do it prior to marriage. It's not complicated.
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Old 07-06-2009, 11:34 AM
 
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Yes, I know you are saying rape isn't about sex, it's only about force.

That's hogwash.

But even if it were true, force is a natural drive.

Watch kids play sometime.

Can or should we restrain 'natural' drives?
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Old 07-06-2009, 01:50 PM
 
Location: New Creek, WV
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I had sex before marriage. Does that make me a bad person? Nope. Did that "ruin" me for my future husband? Nope. In fact, I'm married to the person I had sex with prior to marriage. Imagine that!

In the end, it's about how you lived your life, raised your kids and treated others. Not whether or not you got it on with someone before a ring was put on your finger. Marriage to me is NOT a religious institution. It was purely legal, changed my taxes and that was about it. I'm still with the same person I was years before we made it legal, my kids just happen to have his last name, and my tax standings are different.

Abstinence works, but getting kids to be abstinent? That is hard to enforce now isn't it? Look at Bristol Palin. Meh. She learned now didn't she?

Educate the kids, that way when their hormones take over, at least you can rest easier knowing that you did what you could to ensure they knew about condoms/Plan B/ or any other options.
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Old 07-06-2009, 01:59 PM
 
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getting kids to be abstinent? That is hard to enforce now isn't it?
Yep, it's hard.

Lazy parents won't attempt it.

It's hard to tell a kid he can't or shouldn't have everything he wants.

Parents who avoid teaching that lesson are setting their kids up for problems, not just in their marriage.
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Old 07-06-2009, 02:03 PM
 
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In the end, it's about how you lived your life, raised your kids and treated others.

You are correct. What you seem to be missing is the question of who gets to decide what is right about "how you lived your life". It's not me, it's not you. It's God.
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Old 07-06-2009, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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By your logic we should not look down on rape either. Some people find that to be a "natural" drive.

Strawman...... Rape is not about sex, it's about violence and control. You may find it "natural", but most of us don't.
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