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I seem to be having a hard time getting quality responses to this question from Christians in my area, so I figured I would bring it to the CD forum. They either seem to avoid the discussion by changing the subject when I bring it up, or they just decline to have an opinion. Several have said that no such thing exists. Do you believe in the existence of babies being born with intersex complications? Most Christians I encounter that actually bother answering the question DO NOT. Why is this?
And if this condition does truly exist (which, through the existence of many real life cases, the majority of the educated world accepts that it does), is it right for the parents to be allowed to "play god" and determine which sex their child should go with? What if they choose wrong, and the child drifts the other way in their sexual preferences/tendencies? Are they then therefore comitting homosexual acts if their preference does not match the choice of sex made by their parents?
It seems the reason why Christians try to avoid this subject is because it is not as easy to answer as the "Is homosexuality a choice?" question. Is this topic just too much to handle? Do people just not want to believe that it happens? This is an honest question and I'm looking for an honest answer.
Thanks to everyone in advance for their thoughts on the matter.
Mutation exists in nature. It is not generally a high percentage of all births in a given year. Mutations will either benefit or debilitate the owner of said mutation. If it isn't beneficial to survival or reproduction, said mutation will die out.
Mutation exists in nature. It is not generally a high percentage of all births in a given year. Mutations will either benefit or debilitate the owner of said mutation. If it isn't beneficial to survival or reproduction, said mutation will die out.
That does not apply to humans...We are constantly defeating the laws of natural selection, and as a result we are becoming a weaker species.... So what is your answer to the question?
Babies are born everyday with complications, or abnornalties
I am not sure exactly what question you want Christians to answer
So far as I know most christians would accept, love and educate themselves about any abnormal condition their child is born with..
IMO if one of my children had been born with this condition (undetermined sex) after years of consultations with experts, and many tests on the child and a careful observance of the childs actions, etc and with the advice of the experts before the child entered adolescence a decision could be made by all involved including the child..
Perhaps doing nothing would be the best choice..it has a lot to do with the degree of the childs development of genetalia and internal male/female organs
This is a complicated decision and one really cannot give an informed opinion unless they have actually lived it..or is an expert in that field.
Babies are born everyday with complications, or abnornalties
I am not sure exactly what question you want Christians to answer
So far as I know most christians would accept, love and educate themselves about any abnormal condition their child is born with..
IMO if one of my children had been born with this condition (undetermined sex) after years of consultations with experts, and many tests on the child and a careful observance of the childs actions, etc and with the advice of the experts before the child entered adolescence a decision could be made by all involved including the child..
Perhaps doing nothing would be the best choice..it has a lot to do with the degree of the childs development of genetalia and internal male/female organs
This is a complicated decision and one really cannot give an informed opinion unless they have actually lived it..or is an expert in that field.
I agree with you, but I think the OP means, how can anit-gay Christians who claim homosexuality is a choice reconcile the fact that God creates people born with both or neither sex genitalia? That's obviously not a choice for those born with this conditions. I've known two people in my life with this- one with neither male nor female genitalia, one with both. They were happy people, but neither seemed especially femenine or masculine.
I watched a documentary on this where back in the '50s or so, they used to take babies like this and remove the penis and then the parents would raise the baby as a girl. Shockingly, about half of them in the study turned out attracted to women (or lesbian), which really proves that you can't change anyone's sexual orientation. I'm sure that now people have the sense to wait and see which sexual orientation the child has and then operate appropriately, but I believe that this proves that God doesn't create us all as perfect heterosexual beings (or even healthy, based on all the birth defects humans can have) and that sexual orientation isn't a choice.
I seem to be having a hard time getting quality responses to this question from Christians in my area, so I figured I would bring it to the CD forum. They either seem to avoid the discussion by changing the subject when I bring it up, or they just decline to have an opinion. Several have said that no such thing exists. Do you believe in the existence of babies being born with intersex complications? Most Christians I encounter that actually bother answering the question DO NOT. Why is this?
And if this condition does truly exist (which, through the existence of many real life cases, the majority of the educated world accepts that it does), is it right for the parents to be allowed to "play god" and determine which sex their child should go with? What if they choose wrong, and the child drifts the other way in their sexual preferences/tendencies? Are they then therefore comitting homosexual acts if their preference does not match the choice of sex made by their parents?
It seems the reason why Christians try to avoid this subject is because it is not as easy to answer as the "Is homosexuality a choice?" question. Is this topic just too much to handle? Do people just not want to believe that it happens? This is an honest question and I'm looking for an honest answer.
Thanks to everyone in advance for their thoughts on the matter.
Homosexuality which stems from the old sin nature is a completely different issue than hermaphrodism which is biological in nature. Apparently a hermaphrodite still has a true gender which can be determined by specialists who can perform ultrasound, blood tests, chromosome analysis, and even do exploratory surgery to find out the baby's true sex. Whether surgery is performed on the baby born as such, is a choice the parents are going to have to make. If no surgery is done, the person themself, once old enough will have to determine which gender they more closely identify with.
As another poster said, it is a complicated issue. But it is an entirely different issue than homosexuality which is simply deviant lust, and sin.
They either seem to avoid the discussion by changing the subject when I bring it up, or they just decline to have an opinion. Several have said that no such thing exists.
I wonder if the real reason is the delicateness of the subject itself. It's not a common subject of discussion. Maybe they, christian or not, are embarrassed to discuss something like this.
Homosexuality which stems from the old sin nature is a completely different issue than hermaphrodism which is biological in nature. Apparently a hermaphrodite still has a true gender which can be determined by specialists who can perform ultrasound, blood tests, chromosome analysis, and even do exploratory surgery to find out the baby's true sex. Whether surgery is performed on the baby born as such, is a choice the parents are going to have to make. If no surgery is done, the person themself, once old enough will have to determine which gender they more closely identify with.
As another poster said, it is a complicated issue. But it is an entirely different issue than homosexuality which is simply deviant lust, and sin.
Fair enough Mike. Thank you for your response. According to the link, these abnormalities are a result of human sin over the ages, as opposed to god "designing" this in our genetic code.
"Now, thousands of years later as sin continues to permeate the world, the human race has been bombarded with every kind of sickness, disease, disorder and birth defect we can imagine."
While I do not agree with this assessment, it is duly noted. But your response still does not clarify if a child with this abnormality will be judged by God if he chooses to be attracted to the same sex versus the other, pending the outcome of their/their parents decision regarding their choice in sexual orientation.
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I wonder if the real reason is the delicateness of the subject itself. It's not a common subject of discussion. Maybe they, christian or not, are embarrassed to discuss something like this.
It might not be a valid test.
I agree. It is delicate to those faced with this type of decision. But there are many Christians that are die-hard with their feelings on the homosexuality issue. It is not a common discussion in Christian circles because they do not want to discuss this sort of topic. It casts doubts on opinions widely held by Christians regarding the topic of homosexuality and child development. Thus, naturally, it is not a topic that is preferred within religious circles.
Homosexuality which stems from the old sin nature is a completely different issue than hermaphrodism which is biological in nature. Apparently a hermaphrodite still has a true gender which can be determined by specialists who can perform ultrasound, blood tests, chromosome analysis, and even do exploratory surgery to find out the baby's true sex.
Oh really? Then what about people born with Klinefelter's syndrome? What about Turner syndrome? Triple-X syndrome? Or XYY syndrome?
There are a lot of chromosomal combinations that occur in which even medical science cannot say "this is a female" or "this is a male". So explain away that one. Which sex should these undetermined genders be attracted to without the fear that they're "sinning" according to your archaic beliefs?
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