Arguments about Him - that square circle - the supernatural (atheism, bible)
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The naturalist infinite regress argument notes that answer, event, and time presuppose previous answers, events and times so there can be no First Cause.
The naturalist Existence argument is that since Existence is all, there can be no transcendent God.
The naturalist atelic or teleonomic [ no planned outcomes] argument reflects the weight of evidence that science reveals no Cosmic teleology [ divine planned outcomes] so theists cannot then assume that God and science are compatible.That assumption is an it must be argument. In fact, since teleonomy rules, it contradicts teleology. And so creationist evolution is an oxymoron!
The naturalist argument from pareidolia reflects that theists see divine mind and design as people see Yeshua in a tortilla when only teleonomy rules and patterns aren't designs.
Theists assume the argument from God that He gives us right inalienably whilst the state could revoke them, so there has to be Him. No, the naturalists answer reflects nature in that it is our level of consciousness that gives us our rights , reflecting Morgan's Canon.
And also reflecting ' my cousin's" canon is that the other great apes deserve on the basis of their level of consciojsness more protections as New Zealand and Spain accords them.
Rather than taking away rights, humanism notes they are nature-based and also that we should not misuse other animals and grant those apes more protection.
So, most of us humanists recognize rights to the other apes that we don't recognize for the unborn! Yes! I expect that to set off many here!
Google The Great Ape Project and please support it!
Why your atheism, theism, don't know or no one can know if there is God.
We don't need Him!
The presumptions for that more abundant life reveal that.
They are those of empiricism, humanism, naturalism, rationalism and skepticism about which I'll introduce anon.
Please no Bible- or Qu'ran-thumping!
Last edited by skeptic griggsy; 11-06-2009 at 10:00 AM..
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You need a forum with, at the very least, higher intellectual capacity and one where "being out there" is no problem ... imo. Deoxyribonucleic Hyperdiscussion
What then are your arguments about God?
Let us have thought provoking ones, please!
Google the title of this thread to find what others say yea or nay.
The short of it is that God is out of work!
Sounds to me as if you really like being a god-sceptic and it make you feel good to find intellectually stimulating reasons why he does not exist. However, it makes others feel good to know in their hearts that he does exists.
He does not need validation from the intellectuals to give him validity nor does he care if the intellectuals debate him out of existence. These are just mind games that people play when they dont want to think too deeply in a connected way - they prefer to discuss in an objective way rather than to engage in a subjective way.
But, that's OK too.
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