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Old 01-13-2010, 04:47 PM
 
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This seven page document (part of the MJ-12 documents) by the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit begins by saying "...the extraordinary recovery of fallen airborne objects in the State of New Mexico between 4 July and 6 July 1947."
I read this quote over and over again, and I simply do not see where extraterrestrial origin is proven. Airborne objects were recovered near Roswell. Not a peep about where they might have come from. You can speculate until you turn blue in the face, but you still can't make that passage prove anything.
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Old 01-14-2010, 08:01 AM
 
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I read this quote over and over again, and I simply do not see where extraterrestrial origin is proven. Airborne objects were recovered near Roswell. Not a peep about where they might have come from. You can speculate until you turn blue in the face, but you still can't make that passage prove anything.
Oh my....you must have ignored just about everything in the document. You must have ignored the description of the EBEs (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities)
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Old 01-14-2010, 08:09 AM
 
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I think this is closer to the truth, than the Quran or Bible has ever gotten.


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Are we being pre conditioned for the "truth"? Many have said that the UFO/extraterrestrial reality is slowly being disclosed to us through leaks and even in movies. One such movie has raised some eyebrows. "The Mission to Mars" which was produced in 2000. Its very interesting that NASA scientists, astronauts and technicians worked with the movie producers for such a film. The movie starts out with astronauts landing on the Mars for the first time but the movie takes a startling turn. When the atronauts get to Mars they discover that the face on Mars is real and at the end of the movie they come in contact with an extraterrestrial that looks similar to the "gray" alien. The alien reveals to the astronauts that Mars was once teaming with intelligent life and that an astroid hit Mars and killed all life. Alien survivors left Mars in flying craft and "seeded" life on Earth. The astronauts in the movie then state that they are us and we are them. If the face on Mars is indeed artificial, that would explain why it looks so human. NASA even admits that in the remote past Mars had liquid water on the surface, In fact it had oceans, rivers and lakes like on Earth. Mars also had a denser atmosphere in the past which would have warmed the planet up enough for life. Where there is an atmosphere and water, life is very likely. Scientists also agree that Mars once had an oxygen atmosphere and that the presence of all that Iron and rust on Mars is evidence of that.
The other reason Mars probably had oxygen is because if it had large bodies of water, then some of the water that was vaporized would have broken down to oxygen and hydrogen. The hydrogen would have escaped the Martian atmosphere while the oxygen would have remained. Those conditions would have made it possible for human type life to exist. To me thats evidence that we are not alone because if other planets in our own solar system once had almost identical conditions as Earth, what does that say about planets in the billions of galaxies out there?

in regards to the movie, What if there was truth to this? Think of what the implications would have on the world religions. Our religions would have to adjust to this reality and think how it would affect our religious customs and holidays such as Easter and Christmas. It can be pretty frightening if you hold strong belief in your faiths and then discover a truth that totally contradicts what you have always believed.
Religion would have to top the list as a reason for the ET cover-up. Its interesting because the Holy Bible was based off of more ancient text from Sumeria which speaks of human kind being created by visitors from above. That concept actually slips into the book of Genesis when its says let "us" create man in "our" image.
in the remote past, Mars had nearly identical conditions to that of Earth today. It would have made it possible for advanced life to create what you see in the photos below.


glass tube...see the reflection?

yes this is on mars

what are the odds of these "structures" perfectly matching the star system Pleiades?




notice how our own pyramids on earth are constructed to match star systems. The Giza Pyramids match the star system Orion as it appeared in 10,500 BC. Its very interesting that the city next to the Giza Pyramids is named Cairo. Cairo means "city of Mars"
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Old 01-14-2010, 08:26 AM
 
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The irony is that its easier for people to believe in God but when it comes to ETs its fantasy. Anybody who understands the complex structure of life and particularly the human body understands that we were designed by a higher intelligence. Some call it God, some call it ET and some say a little bit of both designed man. The Bible does reveal some truth when its says in Genesis: "Let US create man in OUR own image". Thats plural meaning it wasnt just one entity that created man. Bob Lazar stated that aliens mad 65 upgrades to the Human DNA. That pretty much explains how man evolved from Ape or an earlier type of human closer to the Ape family........God may be real but God may not be anything like we envision in our minds. Hes not an old white man with a white beard sitting on a throne.

more evidence: One thing that reveals that the MJ-12 documents are real is that there are many thing in the documents that werent known back in 1984 when they surfaced. That indicates that documents came from an inside government source.

cover page of the alleged Majestic 12 manual (1950s)

CHAPTER 1
OPERATION MAJESTIC-12
Section I, PROJECT PURPOSE AND GOALS
1. Scope
This manual has been prepared especially for Majestic-12 units. Its purpose is to present all aspects of Majestic-12 so authorized personnel will have a better understanding of the Goals of the Group, be able to more expertly deal with Unidentified Flying Objects, Extraterrestrial Technology and Entities, and increase the efficiency of future operations.
2. General
MJ-12 takes the subject of UFOBs, Extraterrestrial Technology, and Extraterrestrial Biological Entities very seriously and considers the entire subject to be a matter of the very highest national security. For that reason everything relating to the subject has been assigned the very highest security classification. Three main points will be covered in this section. a. The general aspects of MJ-12 to clear up any misconceptions that anyone may have.
b. The importance of the operations.
c. The need for absolute secrecy in all phases of operation.
3. Security Classification
All information relating to MJ-12 has been classified MAJIC EYES ONLY and carries a security level 2 points above that of Top Secret. The reason for this has to do with the consequences that may arise not only from the impact upon the public should the existence of such matters become general knowledge, but also the danger of having such advanced technology as has been recovered by the Air Force fall into the hands of unfriendly foreign powers. No information is released to the public press and the official government position is that no special group such as MJ-12 exists.
4. History of the Group
Operation Majestic-12 was established by special classified presidential order on 24 September 1947 at the recommendation of Secretary of Defense James V. Forrestal an Dr. Vannevar Bush, Chairman of the Joint Research an Development Board. Operations are carried out under a Top Secret Research and Development - Intelligence Group directly responsible only to the President of the United States. The goals of the MJ-12 Group
Fortsetzung
are as follows:
a. The recovery for scientific study of all materials and devices of a foreign or extraterrestrial manufacture that may become available. Such material and devices will be recovered by any and all means deemed necessary by the Group.
b. The recovery for scientific study of all entities and remains of entities not of terrestrial origin which may become available through independent action by those entities or by misfortune or military action.
c. The establishment and administration of Special Teams to accomplish the above operations.
d. The establishment and administration of special secure facilities located at secret locations within the continental borders of the United States for the receiving, processing, analysis, and scientific study of any and alls material and entities classified as being of extraterrestrial origin by the Group or the Special Teams.
e. Establishment and administration of covert operations to be carried out in concert with Central Intelligence to effect the recovery for the United States of extraterrestrial technology and entities which may come down inside the territory of or fall into the possession of foreign powers.
f. The establishment and maintenance of absolute top secrecy concerning all the above operations.
5. Current Situation
It is considered as far as the current situation is concerned, that there are few indications that these objects and their builders pose a direct threat to the security of the United States, despite the uncertainty as to their ultimate motives in coming here. Certainly the technology possessed by these beings far surpasses anything known to modern science, yet their presence here seems to be benign, and they seem to be avoiding contact with our species, at least for the present. Several dead entities have been recovered along with a substantial amount of wreckage and devices from downed craft, all of which are now under study at various locations. No attempt has been made by extraterrestrial entities either to contact authorities or to recover their dead counterparts or the downed craft, even though one of the crashes was the result of direct military action. The greatest threat at this time arises from the acquisition and study of such advanced technology by foreign powers unfriendly to the United States. It is for this reason that the recovery and study of this type of material by the United States has been given such a high priority.
Die UFOs
9. Description of Craft
Documented extraterrestrial craft (UFOBs) are classified in one of four categories based on general shape, as follows:
a. Elliptical, or disc shape. This type of craft is of metallic construction and dull aluminium in color. They have the appearance of two pie-pans or shallow dishes pressed together and may have a raised dome on the top or bottom. No seams or joints are visible on the surface, giving the impression of one-piece construction. Discs are estimated from 50-300 feet in diameter and the thickness is approximately 15 per cent of the diameter, not including the dome, which is 30 per cent of the disc diameter and extends another 4-6 feet above the main body of the disc. The dome may or may not include windows or ports, and ports are present around the lower rim of the disc in some instances. Most disc-shaped craft are equipped with lights on the top and bottom, and also around the rim. These lights are not visible when the craft is at rest or not functioning. There are generally no visible antenna or projections. Landing gear consists of three extendible legs ending in circular landing pads. When fully extended this landing gear supports the main body 2-3 feet above the surface at the lowest point. A rectangular hatch is located along the equator or on the lower surface of the disc.
b. Fuselage or cigar shape. Documented reports of this type of craft are extremely rare. Air Force radar reports indicate they are approximately 2 thousand feet long and 95 feet thick, and apparently they do not operate in the lower atmosphere. Very little information is available on the performance of these craft, but radar reports have indicated speeds in excess of 7,000 miles per hour. They do not appear to engage in the violent and erratic maneuvers associated with the smaller types.
c. Ovoid or circular shape. This type of craft is desribed as being shaped like an ice cream cone, being rounded at the large end and tapering to a near-point at the other end. They are approximately 30-40 feet long and the thick end diameter is approximately 20 per cent of the length. There is an extremely bright light at the pointed end, and this craft usually travels point down. They can appear to be any shape from round to cylindrical, depending upon the angle of observation. Often sightings of this type of craft are elliptical craft seen at an inclined angle or edge-on.
d. Airfoil or triangular shape. This craft is believed to be new technology due to the rarity and recency of the observations. Radar indicates an isosceles triangle profile, the longest side being nearly 300 feet in length. Little is known about the performance of these craft due to the rarity of good sightings, but they are believed capable of high speeds and abrupt maneuvers similar to or exceeding the performance attributed to types "a" and "c".
Die Außerirdischen
10. Description of Extraterrestrial Biological Entities (EBEs)
Examination of remains recovered from wreckage of UFOBs indicates that Extraterrestrial Biological Entities may be classified into two distinct categories as follows:
a. EBE Type I. These entities are humanoid and might be mistaken for human beings of the Oriental race if seen from a distance. They are bi-pedal, 5-5 feet 4 inches in height and weigh 80-100 pounds. Proportionally they are similar to humans, although the cranium is somewhat larger and more rounded. The skin is a pale, chalky-yellow in color, thick, and slightly pebbled in appearance. The eyes are small, wide-set, almond-shaped, with brownish-black irises with very large pupils. The whites of the eyes are not like that of humans, but have a pale gray cast. The ears are small and set low on the skull. The nose is thin and long, and the mouth is wider than in humans, and nearly lipless. There is no apparent facial hair and very little body hair, that being very fine and confined to the underarm and the groin area. The body is thin and without apparent body fat, but the muscles are well-developed. The hands are small, with four long digits but no opposable thumb. The outside digit is jointed in a manner as to be nearly opposable, and there is no webbing between the fingers as in humans. The legs are slightly but noticeably bowed, and the feet are somewhat splayed and proportionally large.
b. EBE Type II. These entities are humanoid but differ from Type I in many respects. They are bi-pedal, 3 feet 5 inches - 4 feet 2 inches in height and weigh 25-50 pounds. Proportionally, the head is much larger than humans or Type I EBEs, the cranium being much larger and elongated. The eyes are very large, slanted, and nearly wrap around the side of the skull. They are black with no whites showing. There is no noticeable brow ridge, and the skull has a slight peak that runs over the crown. The nose consists of two small slits which sit high above the slit-like mouth. There are no external ears. The skin is a pale bluish-gray color, being somewhat darker on the back of the creature, and is very smooth and fine-celled. There is no hair on either the face or the body, and these creatures do not appear to be mammalian. The arms are long in proportion to the legs, and the hands have three long, tapering fingers and a thumb which is nearly as long as the fingers. The second finger is thicker than the others, but not as long as the index finger. The feet are small and narrow, and four toes are joined together with a membrane.
It is not definitely known where either type of creature originates, but it seems certain that they did not evolve on earth. It is further evident, although not certain, that they may have originated on two different planets.
Die Technologie
11. Description of Extraterrestrial Technology
The following information is from preliminary analysis reports of wreckage collected from crash sites of extraterrestrial craft 1947-1953, excerpts from which are qouted verbatim to provide guidance as to the type and characteristics of material that might be encountered in future recovery operations.
a. Initial analysis of the debris from the crash site seems to indicate that the debris is that of an extraterrestrial craft which exploded from within and came into contact with the ground with great force, completely destroying the craft. The volume of matter indicates that the craft was approximately the size of a medium aircraft, although the weight of the debris indicates that the craft was extremely light for its size.
b. Metallurgical analysis of the bulk of the debris recovered indicates that the samples are not composed of any materials currently known to Terrestrial science.
c. The material tested possesses great strength and resistance to heat in proportion to its weight and size, being stronger by far than any materials used in military or civilian aircraft at present.
d. Much of the material, having the appearance of aluminium foil or aluminium magnesium sheeting, displays none of the characteristics of either metal, resembling instead some kind of unknown plastic-like material.
e. Solid structures and substantial beams having a distinct similarity in appearance to very dense grain-free wood, was very light in weight and possesses tensile and compression strength not obtainable by any means known to modern industry.
f. None of the material tested displayed measurable magnetic characteristics or residual radiation.
g. Several samples were engraved or embossed with marks and patterns. These patterns were not readily identifiable and attempts to decipher their meaning has been largely unsuccessful.
h. Examination of several apparent mechanical devices, gears, etc. revealed little or nothing of their functions or methods of manufacture.
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Old 01-14-2010, 08:38 AM
 
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The irony is that its easier for people to believe in God but when it comes to ETs its fantasy.
That's a very valid truth.

Adam and Eve.........A Magic Apple Tree.....A Sinister Magic Snake.......An Amazing Rib.........Noah.....His Ark .......A billion species of animals all gathered and stashed away on the Ark and living in complete peace .....

All whole-heartidly believed by Christians. And don't even get me started on the elaborate fantasty and fiction Islam brainwashes their sheep with.

But life on other planets........ET's ....UFO's ........the possibility that human beings have Extraterrestrial orgins? Nah, that's just crazy talk

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Old 01-14-2010, 08:40 AM
 
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Bob Lazar has been discredited and discounted even in most UFO circles. Anything with his name on it is fantasy bunk.
According to who, you?
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Old 01-14-2010, 08:58 AM
 
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Just as ET has changed our genetic make up, it seems that we ourselves are just beginning to do what ET has done. We are capable of manipulating genetics. Here is an example of how we are able to grow a human ear on the back of a mouse. We have also cloned sheep, other animals and would not be a surprise if some scientists have already secretly cloned humans. We are on the treshhold of creating life the way we were created. We are becoming as "gods" as Satan in the Bible promised Eve if she at from the tree of knowledge. BTW I do think those things in the Bible were metaphors for things that happened in a more complex and scientific fashion. Angels and fallen angels are in reality ET. Heaven in the Bible is actually the decription on another demension in space. It has been stated that some ETs are interdemensional beings. Maybe one day when we travel the stars, we may use our knowledge in genetics and do the same exact thing, create life. I guess we all know now why the existance of ET is being kept secret at all cost. The magic nature of the Bible loses its luster when things are explained in a more scientific fashion. Its been documented that people in the know including our nation's first secratary of defence have comittied suicide. What would drive them to do that? Is it just a small sample of the kind of panic we can expect if this is disclosed? This isnt the first time scientific discoveries were covered up. The Catholic Church did some covering up of science back in its day. But there are many more reasons for the cover-up. Alot of people would be going to jail because of illegal doings and it would also affect the outcome historic events like the assasination of JFK. It wouldnt look good if it were found out that our government hired the mob to carry out plans to kill JFK because they were afraid he would spill the beans. He already told Marlyin Monroe which btw she died under mysterious circumstances two days after she announced she was going to call an international press conference and tell something "that would shock the world". Interestingly enough Marlyn Monroe was the subject of a declassified document under "Project Moondust" which involved the recovery of space debris. You can only guess why she would be the subject of a document like that. Adding to the speculation, the general whos named was stamped on the Monroe/Moondust document just happen to be the general who "publically" took UFO cases.



project moondust CIA document which flat out talks of conversation of Monroe being told about "things from outer space"

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XBsnAWqTr2...600-h/gggg.jpg


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Old 01-15-2010, 08:23 AM
 
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wow how many lies can the government tell? Lets see in the documentary clip below the government said it was an experimental kite now the say it was Project Mogul. The interesting thing is that Project Mogul was declassified in the early 1970s. The documentary was filmed AFTER Project Mogul was declassified so why didnt the government say it was Project Mogul then? That basically reveal that the government is STILL lying about what crashed in Roswell, NM back in 1947.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhxbc...eature=related

technology retrieved from the Roswell crash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFdlw...eature=related

alledged film footage of the Roswell alien in Hanger 84 back in 1947.....looks real to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQlpA...eature=related

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Old 01-15-2010, 08:32 AM
 
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According to who, you?

Oh hell, do a web search. There's enough to keep you reading for weeks.
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Old 01-15-2010, 09:04 AM
 
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Oh hell, do a web search. There's enough to keep you reading for weeks.
As you skeptics always ask......do you believe everything you read on the internet?
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