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Old 06-09-2010, 08:04 AM
 
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well then what is the scientific's careful observation, experimentation and research on why ostriches don't fly?
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Old 06-09-2010, 08:13 AM
 
Location: NZ Wellington
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this is what i clicked on your link. i watched it but he is using scientific jargon and he does not speak clearly so if anyone has the time:


YouTube - There are no observed instances of speciation
Notice that he doesn't open a text book? And any evidence of speciation that has been disprove, was disprove through the scientific method?
Notice he doesn't go down the list, but finds the ones that were proven false, and expects everyone to say, "wow, they all must be wrong".

I was expecting you to find something like this.
http://www.bio.davidson.edu/courses/...es/species.pdf
http://uccpbank.k12hsn.org/courses/C...io_4_2_2_1.swf
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Old 06-09-2010, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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The whole point is that speciation HAS been observed and "macroevolution" is only speculative. It has never been observed therefore it should not be considered fact like it is currently. You need to be able to come up with evidence for something like macroevolution, not just assume it to be true. The idea that you are seeking to prove cannot prove itself.
Thanks, you made my point.
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Old 06-09-2010, 08:14 AM
 
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well then what is the scientific's careful observation, experimentation and research on why ostriches don't fly?
Because of of the difference in life span..
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Old 06-09-2010, 08:44 AM
 
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well then what is the scientific's careful observation, experimentation and research on why ostriches don't fly?
Why don't you actually try learning something instead of just arguing and go and research this yourself instead of asking questions an 8th grader carrying a B in science could answer?

But the ostrich isn't the point.You brought up the ostrich.MY point is the penguin and it's adaptation into a water creature that is in function closer to other water mammals than it is other birds.Why not dwell on that question and engage your brain for learning instead of disputing?
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Old 06-09-2010, 08:53 AM
 
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well i have proven that i dont need a science degree to realize the WTF factor of evolution. a former atheist scientist explains with lab tests to prove my own realization of the flaw of evolution. i also realized where does the seed of plants and trees came from? from the evolutionary stages where does it fit? does the seeds also came from the mighty single cell where all living things evolve? proof?
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Lethbridge, AB
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well then what is the scientific's careful observation, experimentation and research on why ostriches don't fly?
Flying birds were able to exploit a niche that had previously been unfilled, eating grass and shrubs on wide, open plains. As flight takes an enormous amount of energy and on the plains is not terribly useful, individuals that put less energy towards flight and more towards growth and reproduction, were able to grow and reproduce faster. Since they reproduced faster, they made more babies. Since those babies inherited their parents traits, they too, put less energy toward flight. As this goes on for generations upon generations, you end up with birds that put less and less energy towards flight, to the point of not growing wings capable of lifting them.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:11 AM
 
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well i have proven that i dont need a science degree to realize the WTF factor of evolution. a former atheist scientist explains with lab tests to prove my own realization of the flaw of evolution. i also realized where does the seed of plants and trees came from? from the evolutionary stages where does it fit? does the seeds also came from the mighty single cell where all living things evolve? proof?
Who said anything about a science degree?I don't have a science degree.It is not required to have a degree to become knowledgeable on subjects.Learning is learning,and you obviously have no desire to learn the basics of what you try to refute.

Personally,I see little point in trying to have a discussion with someone who won't even bother to educate themselves on the basics of what they are discussing,preferring instead to hero worship an anonymous poster who pretty clearly is not what he claims.But whatever works for you.We wouldn't want firsthand knowledge on a subject to ruin your beliefs on it.LOL.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:22 AM
 
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so u dont have science degree but u openly insult someone who has? my main point is my opinion is trashed coz i dont have a degree. but thanks for letting me know you have no science degree but still post like you ACTUALLY was there in the lab observing these experiments. or dispute cephus like someone who ACTUALLY was formally educated to judge what you read is in fact a testable evidence without ever being in the lab to ACTUALLY witness and observe it.
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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well i have proven that i dont need a science degree to realize the WTF factor of evolution.
Rather, what you have proven is that Creationism is simply the admission by some that evolution is really too hard to understand, so why bother to try?
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