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Old 07-10-2013, 08:49 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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...whether you like it or not. I particularly liked the complete lack of notice from CalPERS.

CalPERS to post 500,000 pensioners' data online - San Jose Mercury News
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:54 AM
 
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Lots of possible issues. Not good in IMHO. Could cause issues for transplants if their new neighbors go online and see how much they make without going to work. Especially thosevwhongave moved to lower income areas for comparable jobs.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:25 AM
 
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I was a state employee and am now a state pensioner. All expenditures of public funds by my state, including personnel costs, are open to public view under our Open Records Act, and have been for many years. I'm a bit surprised that this is a new thing in California.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:51 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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I was a state employee and am now a state pensioner. All expenditures of public funds by my state, including personnel costs, are open to public view under our Open Records Act, and have been for many years. I'm a bit surprised that this is a new thing in California.
It's not quite. Employee names, positions, departments and earnings have been on-line for years. But this is a first for pensioners. At real issue for me is the lack of notice. I find that singularly irresponsible of the fund.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: East TN
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I think people will be shocked by how little most CA state retirees are making. Maybe people will stop accusing us of bankrupting our state.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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That data has been available for some time in NY. Teachers, however, sued to remove their info (guess they didn't want taxpayers to see their "peanuts" pay/pensions).
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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In my state, everyone who receives public funds (including public pensioners) is already on constructive (if not actual) notice that their information is open by virtue of the existence of the Open Records Act. Therefore, no individual notice is required to be given when information is disseminated pursuant to a request under the Act.

In California, if public pensioners' payment information has already been deemed a public record -- by the state Attorney General, the courts, or the language of the Act itself -- the method of its dissemination (paper vs. online) to those who request the information would seem to be immaterial.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:02 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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In my state, everyone who receives public funds (including public pensioners) is already on constructive (if not actual) notice that their information is open by virtue of the existence of the Open Records Act. Therefore, no individual notice is required to be given when information is disseminated pursuant to a request under the Act.

In California, if public pensioners' payment information has already been deemed a public record -- by the state Attorney General, the courts, or the language of the Act itself -- the method of its dissemination (paper vs. online) to those who request the information would seem to be immaterial.
Legally it's immaterial vis-à-vis the Public Records Act. Morally I think CalPERS owed us the courtesy of notice of this batch disclosure. That's my gripe.

As TheShadow observed, the general public, especially those out for blood, are in for a surprise. We aren't really receiving all that much in most cases.
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Old 07-10-2013, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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It's not quite. Employee names, positions, departments and earnings have been on-line for years. But this is a first for pensioners. At real issue for me is the lack of notice. I find that singularly irresponsible of the fund.
Class action privacy suit??
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:21 PM
 
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no has stated its already been cleared a public information. but I think they need to make all available and that its like a accident report; its public information but they can recover cost to personnel and printing that is reasonable. Why just some is also a question. It doeswn't make sense to publish when no one has requested it.
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