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The change you wonder about is not going to happen for one good reason - men largely do not respond to that type of advertising; on the other hand, it has been proven for decades that women do.
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Originally Posted by TRex2
It exists, and always has. (think hair tonics and color)
If it were something that could be successful,
that type of advertising would flourish (capitalism).
Has a lot to do with instinctive defensiveness,
a point which kokonutty made, and you proved.
If you remove civilization and our rules, there
are instinctive behaviors that explain all of this,
no matter how much some people deny it.
Again, some are not aware of the known negative effects having existed, wanting to see it a different way.
So for the men that said they don't find older women attractive....
The woman pictured as #6 (Long Braided Hair for Older Women) on the link below...... is she someone you could not even imagine dating because she is "in society's eyes" considered old?
I seriously have a woman crush on her and I am a straight woman. I find her very attractive! She exudes confidence, warmth, genuineness, strength and poise! Yes, she has gray hair and wrinkles that reflect a lifetime of emotions. But it is all of the above that make her so attractive!
Haha...well, you don't get it. As I said, it's the other way around. The advertising came first and items sell due to the nature of how they have been marketed, presented in such a way to portray a product will make one appear more acceptable instead of as is, affecting self-esteem. Just to mention, which appears you have not realized, that there are not many products for males, only generic items for general grooming as women use besides, compared to the several aisles in stores having countless items for women to make them feel appealing enough.
The point is, it is the way the stuff has been marketed, implying that a female is not enough without enhancement. This has existed for years and is proven to have now affected young girls adversely, where when having researched young boys about how they feel about themselves in comparison, it is unequal due to the effects of this. No wonder males are never impacted by having it implied they are "not good enough". That's why conversely, as others mentioned here, that men may not make an effort to present themselves more attractively, feeling secure enough "as is", even if slovenly, etc.
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There is, as has been pointed out, lots of advertising out there for products for men. Everything from Electric Shave and Vitalis to Charles Atlas workouts, to "Rock Hard Weekend".
So, then, what you are saying is that the advertising makes women feel inadequate, but doesn't make men feel inadequate, that women are simply so weak minded that they cannot resist what they see in advertisements.
Advertising affects men too, they just go after different things, the older guy showing up in the sports car with the hot wife, viagra commercials, oh heck.... rogaine commercials, 80% of truck an car commercials...
Not as much about looks directly, but they don't have ugly guys, so it still is....
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We have a lot in common, age, financial independence. self made etc. We were one of the first generation of women who are independent and didn't buy into the white picket fence, get married, have babies, exist to take care of our man and "live happily ever after" (at least some of us).
Men that are older than us lived the 50's life and are still of the old school mentality who wants to replace their 30-40 yo catering 50's mentality wife, there to take care of them. A few did move with the times but many didn't, too many benefits to staying old school and women who are desperate for a man and willing to walk right into it.
My mom, born in 1940, dad passed when she was in her early 50's, she was still thin and very attractive, I asked if she was ever going to date and marry again, she looked at me as if I was crazy and said, what for? She had many female and male friends and the group had a lot of fun together going places and doing things together.
Then it seems something was missing from her marriage. Fun with groups of people can never replace the specialness of an intimate bonding of two people in a loving relationship.
Then it seems something was missing from her marriage. Fun with groups of people can never replace the specialness of an intimate bonding of two people in a loving relationship.
Some couples actually do live happily ever after.
I believe this too. Maybe there was too much focus on the irritating aspects of living and being married to a person. The good times didn't out weigh them?
Or maybe the marriage was so wonderful that they don't think it can be replicated?
but I go with the first.
I know I can irritate my roommate and he gets on my last nerve every single day, but I still hope to have a relationship one day that is fun and loving.
This one has so many issues - why we are just roommates now. I figure since he is so much older than me - i'll just wait it out - lol
Advertising affects men too, they just go after different things, the older guy showing up in the sports car with the hot wife, viagra commercials, oh heck.... rogaine commercials, 80% of truck an car commercials...
Not as much about looks directly, but they don't have ugly guys, so it still is....
I am aware of all of that, and am also aware of the underlying instincts that make us this way. Boys and Girls are different from each other, and so are men and women. While not everybody fits inside the first order of deviation under the bell curves, there are two distinctly different bell curves (plus the occasional - one in about 2000 - mutation).
What I was pointing out was the the person I was replying to had (inadvertently, I suppose) created an argument that women are inferior, instead of just different. And I don't buy, that women are inferior.
My wife and I have had a wonderful relationship for most of our 30 years together (yes, we have had a few of those not so wonderful times, along the way) partly because we understand what our genders instinctively need. Well, I understand it, and she is cool with it, even when she doesn't understand it, because it fits her needs.
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