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Old 01-16-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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Providence once again distinguished as one of the places to be! The New York Times listed it as one of the top places in the WORLD to see in 2016! We come in at 33!


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ction%2Ftravel
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Old 01-16-2016, 12:49 PM
 
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Providence once again distinguished as one of the places to be! The New York Times listed it as one of the top places in the WORLD to see in 2016! We come in at 33!


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ction%2Ftravel
It's good you posted that. I saw that story too. Of course, they said Providence, but they mean not just Providence, but really all of Rhode Island because they're talking about the beach towns too.

They said something else interesting, that a few of us on this forum have been saying for a while:

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This cobblestone-lined capital has the sort of bearded liberalness and ever-rising food scene — including the new restaurant Oberlin, from the duo behind the James Beard nominee Birch — that might feel familiar to residents of Portland, Ore.
They ask if "Providence, RI (is) the East Coast's answer to Portland, Ore.?" Well, to my eye there is common ground between the two. It's certainly an East Coast vibe, not West Coast, and Providence is much smaller than Portland, lest any of you misinterpret that.

Who among you (those who have been to Portland and Providence) see the connection? What is similar and what is different?

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Old 01-16-2016, 01:47 PM
 
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Different economic base, different geography and urban design, different demographics, different state of public finances, different fit into regional economic ecosystem, different attractiveness of climate and recreational opportunities, totally different politics.

Similar in punching above their size in restaurant quality.
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Old 01-17-2016, 08:38 AM
 
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^I agree with most of that...

Similar in that the economies of the respective cities/states tend to lag behind.
Similar in that both tend to attract creative people.
Similar in that they are overshadowed by larger cities in the region.
Similar in that they are in coastal states but not themselves coastal cities.

Different in that the majority of Portlanders are very proud of their city; in Providence it seems the minority is proud of their city.
The politics are different, but both are liberal cities.
Different in racial diversity.
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Old 01-17-2016, 03:03 PM
 
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The politics are different, but both are liberal cities.
Different in racial diversity.
Sadly, those two items are tied directly together.

It is no coincidence that Portland's big divergence from the typical US city started in the late 1960s -- the era when many cities were in race relations crisis. Portland's overwhelmingly white population, and in particular very small African-American community had practical political consequences. The pressure for 'white flight' was much lower, so the speed at which the city emptied out into the suburbs was lower, and the 'flight' was often not very far (e.g., for my grandparents it was 2 miles, 12th and Fremont to about 55th ave). The political system was not overwhelmed with racial issues, nor was a big split in the liberal-activist community over what to prioritize. There was space for metro area politics to focus on land use planning and transportation rather than busing and housing fairness and crime. I imagine improving pedestrian safety took a back seat in Boston City Hall when they were dealing with riots over busing.

Had Portland's AA community been somewhat larger, and become more visible in pushing for fair treatment, you would seen the balance on the City Council tipped towards conservative law-and-order candidates. Frank Ivancie would have won in '72, not Goldschmidt. Add in the additional white flight and you get a Portland with more freeways and more suburbs.

If Portland had a lot more minorities, there might well have been a Black Mayor, or at least City Council and School Board members as early as 1970. Evidence from other metro areas shows that when that happened, white flight skyrocketed -- people felt they had to move entirely outside the city limits, not just to a neighborhood where no minorities lived. Regional cooperation between cities becomes impossible and there is little willingness of the suburban areas to invest in the central core. Portland vs St. Louis is a useful comparison here.
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