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What is going on with Rochester's economic officials, specifically Bob Duffy. He spearheaded the STAMP facility in Alabama, with Finger Lakes money, then gave it to Buffalo. Cheers about Buffalo getting $1 billion for a new stadium, cheers for a new chip plant in Syracuse, but silent on Rochester development? BOTH of the tech proposals need lots of water, and MCWA just built a brand new plant on the Monroe/ Wayne county boarder. One mile from the lake. Much better suited.
It may be a matter of time, as today the Poughkeepsie area just got or is getting a big announcement related to IBM and its presence there.
Keep in mind that the Albany(Global Foundries) and Utica-Rome(Cree/Wolfspeed) areas also have chip facilities. Even the Binghamton and Jamestown areas have had solid/nice economic development announcements recently. So, WNY is likely next.
On a side note, what likely helps Syracuse is its central location in Upstate NY(which is a very big advantage), proximity to many lakes(Oneida Lake, the state's largest lake completely within the state is 10-15 minutes from the Micron facility, with Lake Ontario and Finger Lakes also minutes away), proximity to colleges/universities(not only in the immediate area, but Cornell is only an hour away, with those in other Upstate areas all within 2/2 and a half hours of the site) and it has the room for the facility within the immediate area(Onondaga County is actually kind of underdeveloped).
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It may be a matter of time, as today the Poughkeepsie area just got or is getting a big announcement related to IBM and its presence there.
Keep in mind that the Albany(Global Foundries) and Utica-Rome(Cree/Wolfspeed) areas also have chip facilities. Even the Binghamton and Jamestown areas have had solid/nice economic development announcements recently. So, WNY is likely next.
On a side note, what likely helps Syracuse is its central location in Upstate NY(which is a very big advantage), proximity to many lakes(Oneida Lake, the state's largest lake completely within the state is 10-15 minutes from the Micron facility, with Lake Ontario and Finger Lakes also minutes away), proximity to colleges/universities(not only in the immediate area, but Cornell is only an hour away, with those in other Upstate areas all within 2/2 and a half hours of the site) and it has the room for the facility within the immediate area(Onondaga County is actually kind of underdeveloped).
20 million gallons of water is quite a bit to be pumping for miles. It goes against the green thing when so much land is available adjacent to fresh water bodies.
One other huge consideration is the waste. Where will 20 million gallons of this toxic waste water go every day? Right back into Onieda Lake or Onondaga Lake? Didn't they just clean that lake? Do people drink that water?
20 million gallons of water is quite a bit to be pumping for miles. It goes against the green thing when so much land is available adjacent to fresh water bodies.
One other huge consideration is the waste. Where will 20 million gallons of this toxic waste water go every day? Right back into Onieda Lake or Onondaga Lake? Didn't they just clean that lake? Do people drink that water?
Drinking water for most of the immediate area comes from Skaneateles Lake and Lake Ontario, with the latter about 30-35 minutes from the site.
Onondaga Lake has been cleaned up a bit and there are nearby rivers(Seneca and Oswego), streams, as well as Oneida Lake nearby. Otisco Lake is also just east of Skaneateles Lake.
Also, the same would come into play for the STAMP site given its location.
You also have to consider if there is enough land next to Lake Ontario, given how big the facility will be.
Drinking water for most of the immediate area comes from Skaneateles Lake and Lake Ontario, with the latter about 30-35 minutes from the site.
Onondaga Lake has been cleaned up a bit and there are nearby rivers(Seneca and Oswego), streams, as well as Oneida Lake nearby. Otisco Lake is also just east of Skaneateles Lake.
Also, the same would come into play for the STAMP site given its location.
You also have to consider if there is enough land next to Lake Ontario, given how big the facility will be.
You didn't comment on the waste. Where will that go?
Again, the central location, space, proximity to institutions, the infrastructure(with room to grow), etc. made it possible for the facility to be located where it is.
It’s sad to see Rochester’s economy lagging as regional neighbors enjoy modest growth. What the hell is happening? The metro had/has the highest educational attainment, most research oriented workforce in the Rust Belt forever. I blame most of it on local leadership. Duffy has always been an empty suit. He was a lousy mayor with no vision and no business acumen who fell for a handshake deal and got left with a hole in the middle of downtown. The best thing Duffy did was appoint Tom Richards to be his successor. The old man might’ve been completely out of touch with the average inner city Rochesterian, but he was a highly intelligent corporate veteran who could have negotiated some killer deals for the city. Sadly the voters picked Lovely and Rochester has never recovered.
More bad news from the City vs. City forum: The latest U.S. Conference of Mayors report estimates Rochester’s GDP has now fallen below that of Albany.
It’s sad to see Rochester’s economy lagging as regional neighbors enjoy modest growth. What the hell is happening? The metro had/has the highest educational attainment, most research oriented workforce in the Rust Belt forever. I blame most of it on local leadership. Duffy has always been an empty suit. He was a lousy mayor with no vision and no business acumen who fell for a handshake deal and got left with a hole in the middle of downtown. The best thing Duffy did was appoint Tom Richards to be his successor. The old man might’ve been completely out of touch with the average inner city Rochesterian, but he was a highly intelligent corporate veteran who could have negotiated some killer deals for the city. Sadly the voters picked Lovely and Rochester has never recovered.
More bad news from the City vs. City forum: The latest U.S. Conference of Mayors report estimates Rochester’s GDP has now fallen below that of Albany.
Meaning Rochester has dropped from the 2nd largest economy in New York to the 4th largest in less than a decade.
I've been feeling it for some time now. There is a concerted effort to boost Buffalo at the expense of Rochester. Just look atthe Buffalo multi Billions. Look atRochester's "newspaper". It's an absolute joke. There is NO NEWS, hs sports, Buffalo sports, and stories about Buffalo.
Rochester has always done well without government help, but in this day and age, nothing get's done, unless some politician can get in front of a camera and claim HIS success. It's discusting.
Rochester is doing fine. Still growing, according to the last census, and there are hundreds of new, small high tech companies all over. In the end, Rochester will prevail, as we aren't dependent on huge influxes of OPM. We have the TALENT, educated workforce and brains.
I've been feeling it for some time now. There is a concerted effort to boost Buffalo at the expense of Rochester. Just look atthe Buffalo multi Billions. Look atRochester's "newspaper". It's an absolute joke. There is NO NEWS, hs sports, Buffalo sports, and stories about Buffalo.
Rochester has always done well without government help, but in this day and age, nothing get's done, unless some politician can get in front of a camera and claim HIS success. It's discusting.
Rochester is doing fine. Still growing, according to the last census, and there are hundreds of new, small high tech companies all over. In the end, Rochester will prevail, as we aren't dependent on huge influxes of OPM. We have the TALENT, educated workforce and brains.
I agree, however, I have to add that I'm a "dinosaur", and used to the former days of Rochester, where "large corporations", each employing THOUSANDS of people, were headquartered here. I miss those days.....
(especially downtown Rochester, at Christmas time, 1960-1980)
I agree, however, I have to add that I'm a "dinosaur", and used to the former days of Rochester, where "large corporations", each employing THOUSANDS of people, were headquartered here. I miss those days.....
(especially downtown Rochester, at Christmas time, 1960-1980)
I loved going downtown and doing Christmas shopping there. I was loyal to the end.
Keep in mind Rochester has grown by about 300,000 people since 1960, and all of that growth, plus the exiting of the city, all happened in the suburbs. That and the trend became shopping malls in the suburbs, so the rest is history. Rochester just wasn't big enough. At least it's downtown residential population wasn't there yet.
I know you don't go downtown, but it does appear to be doing well. Construction everywhere. Hundreds of new IT type companies. Constellation Brands is moving to the Aqueduct Building(s). They are a Fortune 500 company. Butler/Till just built a new building and moved downtown. Old Xerox Hq is now Innovation Square, and for the first time, not a private complex, openning the court yard and 700 seat theatre. The old Chase Tower is now The Metropolitan. Mixed use residential commercial building. Datto is located there, employing 400. Sibley Building completely repurposed with the Commissary on the first floor, offering food related business oportunities.
I was sadened to watch the corporate headquarters shrink, and see the buildings fill up with residential, but it appears that there still is a lot of business activity in those buildings
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