SBOE wants to Eliminate Heroic from Description of Alamo Defenders (San Antonio: legal, safer)

[WilGar]

https://www.expressnews.com/news/edu...g-13213842.php

Class:

Today we will feature the letters L and R

L for Lunacy

R for Revisionist History

[Bo]

The proposal hasn't passed the SBOE yet. I'm sure the board considers a lot of <ahem> unusual proposals that don't pass. If you read the article, the board rep for the north and east sides of SA is very much opposed to it. His views are generally close to that of the majority of the board, if you pay much attention to how that board votes. I'd be surprised if that proposed change gets any support.

The Express News needs all the help it can get selling papers and subscriptions, so that's why articles like this get so much exposure.

[WilGar]

The fact that it was even proposed is chilling.

[Irishtom29]

The term heroic is a subjective one and has no place in an objective study of the event. Do you want kids to be taught or indoctrinated? If indoctrinated fine, but let’s be honest about it then. And indoctrination being a political act is subject to the changing of political winds. So don’t cry if Mexican-Americans gain political power and want the rebellion to be taught from the Mexican point of view rather than the Texian one. Maybe you’re safer arguing for objectivity.

Note that the defenders of the Alamo were caught by the Mexicans with their pants down and forced to defend the place because they couldn’t flee and were offered no terms by the Mexicans who considered the defenders rebels at best and pirates at worst (especially in the case of American mercenaries and adventurers like the New Orleans Greys and Alabama Red Rovers). So they were stuck. At the time of the assault several surrendered and quite a few were killed outside the fort while trying to flee.

No doubt some of the defenders acted in a heroic fashion of course. Much depends on ones definition of heroic. Maybe just being there made them heroes. It’s subjective.

[huckster]

I know what you mean I haven't been more chilled since I left Michigan. Waves of goosebumps and chills up and down the spine.
I have the shivers just thinking about it and to think they will soon be removing the heroic statue downtown.
I think Yankees are behind this. Just as when the Alamo was first defended in 1836. Yankees are stirring the pot.

Originally Posted by WilGar

The fact that it was even proposed is chilling.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by huckster

I think Yankees are behind this. Just as when the Alamo was first defended in 1836. Yankees are stirring the pot.

Yankees were stirring the pot in Texas in 1836?!? That’s a unique interpretation of history. Most of the Texians were southerners, as were the mercenaries from the United States and that great volcano in Washington, Andrew Jackson.

[WilGar]

Who were these mercenaries?

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by WilGar

Who were these mercenaries?

Filibusters. New Orleans Greys and Alabama Red Rovers are the most famous, most of whom were killed at the Alamo and at Goliad. These were Americans who formed companies in the United States to go fight in Texas during the rebellion. These men weren’t Texians, that is the settlers from the United States who took up land in Texas when under Mexico and who’d pledged loyalty to Mexico. The Mexicans took a different legal attitude towards Texians in revolt and the adventurers from the United States (who were considered freebooters and pirates, and justifiably so) though in practice both types were treated mercilessly.

President Jackson also arranged for “deserters” from the United States Army to join up with the Texian army; these men fought at San Jacinto and after the rebellion was won they returned to the American army. I doubt though that American Regulars were mostly southerners, probably quite a few were Irishmen who’d already been British Regulars. As with the San Patricios.

In 1813 during a revolt against Spain a force of Tejano rebels and American filibusters was destroyed south of San Antonio somewhere near the Medina River by a Spanish army; perhaps as many as 1300 rebels were killed in the biggest battle in Texas history. There’s a historical marker at 281 and FM 2537.

[huckster]

THese people could, should be described as southerners only if you were from the United States.
They all were from, El Norte, do not forget. So indeed they were all yanquis. Yes.[[/i]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

Yankees were stirring the pot in Texas in 1836?!? That’s a unique interpretation of history. Most of the Texians were southerners, as were the mercenaries from the United States and that great volcano in Washington, Andrew Jackson.

[huckster]

All true Irishtom. Were the Mexican Soldiers that were killed at a horrific rate by the sharpshooters
from behind stone walls any less daring?
These should be described in the same terms. After all. Defending their country is only right.