San Bernardino, CA city gentifrication, 2020+ and beyond... (Los Angeles, Fresno: crime rate, townhomes)

[Hennything]

Originally Posted by waltchan

People said the same thing in 1992 after the Los Angeles riots. Many experts predicted that LA will be like San Bernardino with high unemployment for decades to come. They're wrong... LA recovered by 1999 year after opening Staples Center, first and original building for long-term gentrification.

Los Angeles is in a totally different location.. San Bernardino gentrify is similar to Oklahoma gentrifying.. not happening. SB one of the last bastions for low income folk. We dont need any more outsiders and transplants artificially boosting the rents. The locals will figure this "problem" out.

[apple92680]

Originally Posted by Hennything

Los Angeles is in a totally different location.. San Bernardino gentrify is similar to Oklahoma gentrifying.. not happening. SB one of the last bastions for low income folk. We dont need any more outsiders and transplants artificially boosting the rents. The locals will figure this "problem" out.

The words "gentrifying" and "gentrification" are problematic because they make the presumption that, for an area to actually improve, a bunch of White-Asian-Artsy-Hipsterish-STEM-Tech types are going to have to flock in en mass, with Apple Stores, yoga studios, ramen spots, sushi bars, art galleries and dog cafes following close behind.

This isn't necessarily the case. More likely, Two-parent homes with children who are priced out of Redlands, Rancho Cucamonga and Loma Linda -- yet, don't want to live in Victorville or Temecula -- will start gradually spilling over into the more tolerable neighborhoods in San Bernardino, and then gradually into other areas too. I call this the "silent demographic" because they are largely ignored, don't have a glitzy social media presence and are usually just normal working people without much of an agenda.

Why would someone not want to live in Victorville? The grueling commute down the hill and demographics influenced by five separate prisons.

Why would someone not want to live in Temecula/Murrieta? Outside of the shallow, Trump-favoring, evangelical, materialist "influencer" demographic, the place has little appeal.

[RationalExpectations]

San Bernardino is, and always will be, the place where, if God decided the world needed an enema, He would surely select for the point of application.

[Fisherman99]

Originally Posted by apple92680

Not necessarily. I don't consider Merced "prestigious". It was largely settled by "Okies" fleeing the Dust Bowl. San Luis Obispo is more "presitgious", and it only has a Cal State (Poly) school. Sonoma County is much wealthier than Riverside County and there is no UC school there, either, but they do have a Cal State campus.

The UC Regents office is located in Oakland. You'd think it would be in Sacramento? But no. Yet, there's no actual campus in Oakland.

I think, more than anything, a UC school's location is determined on its propensity for research, which is the mission of most UC campuses. UC Riverside was primarily involved in agricultural research when it was founded, which makes sense given the setting/location.

UC Merced is the newest UC (only 16 years old) smack dab in the middle of the agricultural, more impoverished central valley, however it is growing rapidly and gaining prestige... had the biggest gains last few years on US News of any college in the nation and is rising fast...US News 2021 rank #40 (Public Colleges) ; #97 (National Rank). In fact, ALL 9 UC's now in US News Top 40 (Public Colleges) and Top 100 (National rank).

https://www.universityofcalifornia.e...s-world-report


As a UC Riverside alumnus from way back (so much growth now and city gentrification, barely recognize the campus), I do agree that the propensity for agricultural research is a main factor in the location and the fact that UCR started out as a citrus research station in 1907 (campus established in 1954) and is located in climate zone 19 (a milder thermal belt conducive to growing Navel oranges), as opposed to San Bernardino's slightly more extreme climate zone 18 (too cold for commercial citrus growing). More on the history of UC Riverside below...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univer...nia,_Riverside

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by apple92680

Not necessarily. I don't consider Merced "prestigious". It was largely settled by "Okies" fleeing the Dust Bowl. San Luis Obispo is more "presitgious", and it only has a Cal State (Poly) school. Sonoma County is much wealthier than Riverside County and there is no UC school there, either, but they do have a Cal State campus.

The UC Regents office is located in Oakland. You'd think it would be in Sacramento? But no. Yet, there's no actual campus in Oakland.

I think, more than anything, a UC school's location is determined on its propensity for research, which is the mission of most UC campuses. UC Riverside was primarily involved in agricultural research when it was founded, which makes sense given the setting/location.

Well when you look at where UCs have their schools versus where Cal States have their schools, more often than not the UC will be in the more prestigious location versus its Cal State counterpart. You see this throughout the state even with the outlier you named. From San Diego, to the IE, to LA, to the Valley, to the Bay, etc., it seems to be pretty consistent that UCs are in nicer areas.

Originally Posted by Fisherman99

UC Merced is the newest UC (only 16 years old) smack dab in the middle of the agricultural, more impoverished central valley, however it is growing rapidly and gaining prestige... had the biggest gains last few years on US News of any college in the nation and is rising fast...US News 2021 rank #40 (Public Colleges) ; #97 (National Rank). In fact, ALL 9 UC's now in US News Top 40 (Public Colleges) and Top 100 (National rank).

https://www.universityofcalifornia.e...s-world-report

As a UC Riverside alumnus from way back (so much growth now and city gentrification, barely recognize the campus), I do agree that the propensity for agricultural research is a main factor in the location and the fact that UCR started out as a citrus research station in 1907 (campus established in 1954) and is located in climate zone 19 (a milder thermal belt conducive to growing Navel oranges), as opposed to San Bernardino's slightly more extreme climate zone 18 (too cold for commercial citrus growing). More on the history of UC Riverside below...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Univer...nia,_Riverside

Interesting, thanks.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

Old post but if anyone can answer... if this is the case why did the UC system choose Riverside over SB for their school? I feel like UC chooses the more prestigious city in a certain region, and they went with Riverside.

It had nothing to do with prestige when UC Riverside opened in 1907. It was established there because of the 23 acres of land that was originally used as the Citrus Experiment Station.

https://cnas.ucr.edu/about/history/c...riment-station

[apple92680]

Originally Posted by DabOnEm

Well when you look at where UCs have their schools versus where Cal States have their schools, more often than not the UC will be in the more prestigious location versus its Cal State counterpart. You see this throughout the state even with the outlier you named. From San Diego, to the IE, to LA, to the Valley, to the Bay, etc., it seems to be pretty consistent that UCs are in nicer areas.

California State University schools were previously called "California State College". An example of this is that CSUN was once known as San Fernando Valley State College, or "Valley State" for short.

Before that, they were called "California Normal School". The first California Normal School was located in San Jose. The mission of the state normal school was to train teachers and nurses -- practical jobs that required a certain skill level and state certification.

A lot of the schools with "State" in the name originated to train middle class professionals, so they were located in what were then "middle class" areas: Fresno, San Jose, Santa Rosa, Bakersfield, Northridge, Long Beach, Fullerton, Sacramento, Hayward, Pomona, San Bernardino, etc. Of course, many of these areas now (San Jose, Fullerton, San Luis Obispo, Santa Rosa) are no longer full of middle class people, but have skewed more toward being upper middle class.

As I said in my previous post, the University of California schools, although state funded, are primarily research schools which also rely on private grants as well. Being so, they needed to be located near large sums of capital while simultaneously able to carry out research (UCLA, UC Irvine, UC San Diego, UCSF, UCSB, UC Davis).

This (mostly) explains the difference in location for their chosen settings.

[Vic Romano]

Originally Posted by waltchan

People said the same thing in 1992 after the Los Angeles riots. Many experts predicted that LA will be like San Bernardino with high unemployment for decades to come. They're wrong... LA recovered by 1999 year after opening Staples Center, first and original building for long-term gentrification.

Who are these experts? I was there in 1992 and never heard anybody say that in the aftermath.

Originally Posted by waltchan

Well, San Bernardino is not even close at the worst Earthquake zone area at all (rank #52). Inglewood, CA (rank #3) is actually the highest-risk in whole southern California, despite millions of people completely forgot or don't notice.

California Earthquake Index City Rank

You do know the San Bernardino is adjacent to the San Andreas fault, right?

Originally Posted by waltchan

The first step of successful gentrification is to demolish the old Carousel Mall for redevelopment, and the new open land next to downtown can be brand-new apartments, new townhomes, new restaurants/shops, new office spaces, and maybe new skyscrapers. Yes, people will come and buy quickly, as long as they're brand-new.

https://www.sbsun.com/2021/03/03/san...redevelopment/

I have faith this time that the gentrification in new San Bernardino will be successful, as long as Los Angeles home prices continue to go UP, and on track to reach $1 million median by year 2025.

You are the same person that thought it would be a good idea to build a resort in the middle of nowhere in Nevada so pardon me if I don't agree with your assessment.

[dontbelievehim]

Sb is 52 out of 1800 hahaha
That's horrible.

I saw that they had ridgecrest as a safe city. yeah, i think it might be time for an update.

[blazenjames]

SB will attract young families who want a home and can't afford that elsewhere. It has a great strategic location. I wouldn't bet against SB for the future. The future will be better than the past.