11-11-2011, 12:11 PM
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My husband and I (and our 2 small dogs) are moving to the area. He will be working at Apple in Cupertino. I am currently unemployed, but remain optimistic that I may find a job again soon.
He wants to live in San Francisco and take the Apple shuttle to work each day. He already has some friends that live in Pacific Heights. I am not opposed to this, but do think him sitting on a bus for over 2 hours a day should be "worth it." It's going to be a huge sacrafice of time and money to be in the city.
Can you suggest any neighborhoods? I've read some nice things about Inner Sunset (seems to fit our needs). How about other cities/towns? What is Berkeley like? Downtown San Jose? I've only been to the Bay Area one time. During this time I was in San Francisco and Pleasanton (very cute, but there is no way my husband will want to live there!).
We are looking for the following:
-2 bedroom apartment for appoximately $3000/month or purchase for under $450k
-near Apple shuttle stop
-safe neighborhood
-animal friendly
-parking space
-dishwasher
-washer/dryer in unit
-storage-walk in closet or multiple closets
-prefer somewhat newer or remodeled units
-walkable neighborhood with grocery store, bank, gym, the basics...
-less fog (would be nice, but not necessary)
-family friendly
Thank you for your help!
11-11-2011, 12:19 PM
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a) Berkeley is way too far to commute to Silicon Valley.
b) your budget is good for a 2br in SF but you won't find many apartments with dishwashers and washer/driers in the unit in SF. You might at that budget though, also apartments in the suburbs will be more likely to have them.
c) parking spaces are very rarely included in rent for an apartment in SF, generally you either park on the street (which is a pain in the ass depending on your neighborhood) or pay around $200 or so for an off-street space that you rent from someone in your neighborhood who has a garage of some sort.
So your budget is good but it might still be hard to find a place that is new/remodeled (most apartment buildings in SF are really old) with parking that allows pets. See what you can find in SF but you might be better off looking in San Mateo County or around San Jose, the commute to the Apple zombie labs would be way easier (though you might have to drive, I have no idea where the shuttles stop). It will be more suburban and you'll have to drive way more but the apartments will be what you want.
If you want to do SF, then look into where the shuttles stop. The Western Mission (around Dolores Park) and Noe Valley would be good. Lower Pacific Heights is cool. The Inner Sunset is a nice neighborhood but gets really foggy so you probably wouldn't like it.
11-11-2011, 12:47 PM
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If your husband is into urban city living, my guess is that he will not like Inner Sunset, it is nice but it feels a little suburby compares to other neighborhoods and it is tucked away from the hub of SF. It's also more of a family with kids type of neighborhood and it's not close to the Apple bus (as far as I know, I could be wrong).
I could be wrong but I think the Apple bus travels to the western part of the Mission District and the Marina District, so I'd suggest you look in those area.
I think you guys will like Mission Dolores, western part of the Mission (west of Valencia St), Noe Valley, Castro, the Marina District, Cow Hollow, Pacific Heights, and Russian Hills. Also Hayes Valley, Duboce Triangle, and Ashbury Heights are nice if your husband doesn't mind the extra walk to the Apple bus. I'm trying to recommend places that are close to the Apple bus route.
Mission Dolores, West Mission, Marina and Hayes Valley tends to be more singles oriented. Noe Valley, Duboce, and Ashbury are a bit more cater to family. Castro is also very family friendly and it is a LGBT mecca.
As for the amenities, it all depends on the building. $3,000 for a 2 bed with dishwasher and parking is doable if you're not too picky (ie doesnt mind older Victorian unit and doesn't demand a view) but in-unit washer/dryer is rare and usually found in more modern (ie more expensive unit).
All of the above neighborhoods are very popular so if you find something you like jump on it quickly. Rental tends to be less competitive this time of the year but you should still brace yourself for some competition - make sure to have all the documentation with you to the open house, dress properly, and put in plenty of face time with the landlord/manager.
And no, you're not going to find a 2 bedroom in said nabes for $450k or under unless you don't mind a fixer-upper or TIC. I dont' recommend TIC.
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11-11-2011, 02:07 PM
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Thanks so much for the information. I've already been looking into all of the areas you've mentioned.
So many landlords are not pet friendly. It's a shame...
Question: How bad is the fog in Inner Sunset? Do weeks go by with no sunshine? I lived in London for a while, so I know that the weather is important to me. That being said, at least fog isn't constant rain!
11-11-2011, 03:07 PM
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Scaxter
I am not opposed to this, but do think him sitting on a bus for over 2 hours a day should be "worth it." It's going to be a huge sacrafice of time and money to be in the city.
You probably won't see him much on weekdays if you live in the city.
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Scaxter
We are looking for the following:
-2 bedroom apartment for appoximately $3000/month or purchase for under $450k
-near Apple shuttle stop
-safe neighborhood
-animal friendly
The two dogs eliminate most available places in the city. For example:
SF apts. $3000 and under
SF apts. $3000 and under that allow dogs
SF apts. $3000,allow dogs,undesirable or too far neighborhoods filtered out
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Originally Posted by
Scaxter
How about other cities/towns?
I recommend looking in Mountain View,San Mateo or Millbrae.
Mountain View is close to Cupertino and will be the quickest commute to Apple. Mountain View has a very nice downtown and is convenient to many stores and restaurants. San Mateo has probably the best downtown on the peninsula and will be closer for trips to SF. Millbrae is quiet and boring however it has a Bart station with trains going to SF. Also it is possible to live a semi-walkable lifestyle if you find an apartment close to their downtown and Safeway/Traders Joes location.
Example of a walkable Millbrae neighborhood.
Walk Score of Poplar Avenue millbrae ca
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Question: How bad is the fog in Inner Sunset? Do weeks go by with no sunshine?
The fog is the worst in the summer months. A typical summer day will be partly sunny midday and fog will roll in sometime in late afternoon.
11-11-2011, 03:33 PM
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Question: How bad is the fog in Inner Sunset? Do weeks go by with no sunshine? I lived in London for a while, so I know that the weather is important to me. That being said, at least fog isn't constant rain!
I think SFgate.com has it right on the money.
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Many San Franciscans name the Inner Sunset as their favorite neighborhood, despite the fact that it suffers some of the worst weather in the entire Bay Area. Located between Golden Gate Park to the north and Vicente Street to the south, from Stanyan Boulevard to the east and 19th Avenue to the west, the Inner Sunset is just three miles from the Pacific Ocean and smack in the middle of the fog zone. Year-round, most mornings and evenings are foggy, and some days the sun doesn't come out at all.
Inner Sunset — San Francisco Neighborhoods — Travel — SFGate
Though I will add that you do get consistent sun during summer - on most summer days, there is a four to five hour window in the afternoon when the sun do come out. Mornings and evenings are pretty much foggy all year round.
11-11-2011, 05:32 PM
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Also keep in mind that tech jobs, especially at the big firms like Apple, often require long hours, so working a 12 hour shift then spending 90 minutes just to get home on a bus (and doing it again the next day) would suck after a while. I'd consider living closer to the Apple Zombie HQ, if having two dogs, a place with a dishwasher and w/d and easy parking AND a sensible commute are more important to you than urban living. Sounds like you would have to compromise a lot for the urban living. A lot of the towns up and down San Mateo County and Santa Clara County have small walkable downtowns, if you lived near one you could still walk to cafes and restaurants, though you'd still have to drive to do most shopping.
11-12-2011, 05:37 AM
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It seems like Mountain View and San Mateo are great options for a compromise. Any type of walkable town is still better than where we are living now.
You mention Santa Clara County...any suggestions for towns?
Fortunately, my husband is a "business man" not a tech person. He already knows that his work day will be nothing like the typical IT type position. But, I'm sure there will still be some long days. This is why I think SF is too far to commute!
11-12-2011, 08:36 AM
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It seems like Mountain View and San Mateo are great options for a compromise. Any type of walkable town is still better than where we are living now.
You mention Santa Clara County...any suggestions for towns?
Fortunately, my husband is a "business man" not a tech person. He already knows that his work day will be nothing like the typical IT type position. But, I'm sure there will still be some long days. This is why I think SF is too far to commute!
Well, Mountain View is in Santa Clara county. I like living here and agree with the assessment of the town.
If you want a really cool town that feels less techy in Santa Clara county, I'd recommend Los Gatos, if you can afford it.
11-12-2011, 01:04 PM
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Mountain View has a decent little downtown, I think it's on Castro Street. Lots of Chinese restaurants and Chinese groceries but there's other stuff too. Palo Alto is busier but is expensive and dominated by students but it could work for you. Check out Saratoga and Los Gatos, they're both ritzy towns up in the hills but I know Los Gatos sometimes has decently-priced apartments.
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Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)