I'm not feeling San Francisco. (Oakland, Richmond: apartments, casino, subsidized)

[Corleon3]

Originally Posted by EricS39

Would it be possible for San Francisco to work with Indian casinos where the casinos pay rents to San Francisco landlords? Then casino players can win a year of SF rent at a $400/month for a 1 bedroom with renewal option 2 years later at the market rate? If they reject the prize they don't get a winning?

Casino pays rents on the 2,000 - $400/month and uses casino gaming to recover these costs and thin other winnings to increase profit further

Uhhhh...look, that adage anything is possible is a lie. Why would SF work with Indian casinos? There are none in the city/county of SF. No offense but your question doesn't even seem reality based.

[EricS39]

Originally Posted by Corleon3

Uhhhh...look, that adage anything is possible is a lie. Why would SF work with Indian casinos? There are none in the city/county of SF. No offense but your question doesn't even seem reality based.

Work with one in another part of California

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by TVC15

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And because you don't get that observations are not opinions.

i find that most of your observations are opinions. Of course that's just my opinion.

[NickB1967]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

i find that most of your observations are opinions. Of course that's just my opinion.

Shutting both eyes to the obvious and plugging your ears too, are we now?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by NickB1967

Shutting both eyes to the obvious and plugging your ears too, are we now?

48 years here. No red-tipped cane. Love this place, with all it's goobers. Laugh all day at people with nasty attitudes

[dalparadise]

By the way, here's an average Monday from an average San Franciscan: I walked to a bar in North Beach this evening after work, to meet with a rep from LA. We had a couple of Manhattans and talked about our next project together. Not a human or animal turd in sight. There was an energetic buzz around the strip clubs, though--that might upset a suburban sensibility. Columbus was busy with tourists, doormen, outdoor diners, heat lamps, hawkers, and music spilling from the establishments.

After the cocktails, I walked up Columbus, around the hill and up to my apartment, where my wife had some locally-sourced pork chops in lemon-caper sauce ready, with a bottle of Russian River Chardonnay, made from fruit that only grows on a small plot of land at the head of the Sonoma Valley, waiting. We discovered this wine on our last trip up to the Russian River Valley--a weekend jaunt we did on a whim a few weeks ago. The dinner was inspired by the wine. We spent an afternoon with the winemaker, and he prescribed this pairing. It was awesome, by the way.

We had this dinner next to an open window, with the Pacific breeze blowing in. Because it was warm today, the eucalyptus trees were popping their scents into the air. It smelled like a flower shop. We put on some Coltrane to match the sunset outside our window, as we enjoyed the perfectly prepared, juicy pork chops, asparagus, vegetables and beautifully acidic and flavorful wine. the breeze was cool, fragrant and pleasant. Our view of the Presidio, Cow Hollow, the Golden Gate Bridge, and the Marina was picture-perfect. No bums were present on my walk home. I stepped over no feces. I encountered no crazies. I had no transit interruption. In fact, I didn't even use any public transit. Imagine that! I walked home from work.

My spacious, yet historic apartment's rent also remained constant and affordable (to me, anyway) throughout this entire scenario.

Yeah, quite a toilet. I know that not everyone experiences SF like this, but to portray all of SF as the portion that a commuter experiences in a limited time here is simply erroneous.

I'm happy to discuss the pros and cons of SF with rational people. There are certainly downsides and issues to be addressed here. It's quite difficult to reason with someone who doesn't recognize the allure of this world-class city, though. Sure, you can hate it if you want. I get that it isn't for everyone. But, to not acknowledge its urban appeal is to portray yourself as ignorant of the world's best urban places, in my opinion.

[JGC97]

We had this dinner next to an open window, with the Pacific breeze blowing in. Because it was warm today, the eucalyptus trees were popping their scents into the air. It smelled like a flower shop. We put on some Coltrane to match the sunset outside our window, as we enjoyed the perfectly prepared, juicy pork chops, asparagus, vegetables and beautifully acidic and flavorful wine. the breeze was cool, fragrant and pleasant. Our view of the Presidio, Cow Hollow, the Golden Gate Bridge, and the Marina was picture-perfect.

Very nice description

[TVC15]

Originally Posted by Newish49

So I might get flamed for this, but I kind of just plain don't really like San Francisco. Sorry guys! I just don't.

The city is so dirty and gross. It's a dump! Everything smells of urine (or worse). San Francisco is literally a giant festering toilet. In addition to the general filth, you can't walk down Market Street without breathing in a few liters of weed smoke (go ahead and flame me again, but I ****ing hate the smell of dope). I've been to many big western cities, but for some reason San Francisco takes the cake when it comes to unpleasant smells and mystery liquids flowing down the street. Makes no sense when its a small city.

No need to be sorry for telling it like it is. Your description is spot on and the reason why many people don't want to live there. The Bay Area is so diverse and beautiful that you can find your niche.

[TVC15]

Originally Posted by modernist1

Re the street people, the belligerent, the crazies, I hear you, in that regard San Francisco often disappoints.

Yep as well as the belligerent crazies that come here to defend it

[dalparadise]

Originally Posted by EricS39

Would it be possible for San Francisco to work with Indian casinos where the casinos pay rents to San Francisco landlords? Then casino players can win a year of SF rent at a $400/month for a 1 bedroom with renewal option 2 years later at the market rate? If they reject the prize they don't get a winning?

Casino pays rents on the 2,000 - $400/month and uses casino gaming to recover these costs and thin other winnings to increase profit further

Weird idea. Couldn't the casinos just pay out cash to winners and let winners use the cash to pay their rent?

Regardless, I sense that what you are getting at is trying to put downward pressure on rents in San Francisco, or to open them up to more people. That's needed, really across the board and throughout the Bay Area.

Without some kind of terrible thing happening--a major earthquake, an economic calamity of some kind, or something like that-- would you see rents fall to levels of some other major cities, much less to $400 per month.

Price is certainly a reason many find SF unlivable and there is not much relief in sight.

This casino idea of yours does kind of happen in practice, though. You just have to replace "casino" with "Google". I've heard more than a few stories of someone landing a job at a tech company, scoring a big signing bonus, and beating someone else out of an apartment in SF by paying for a year or two in rent in advance.

I think your idea, if feasible, would simply heighten some landlords' greed. We don't need that.