Native San Franciscian feeling disenchanted with his hometown and may want to relocate to la. (Oakland: section 8, apartments)

[Bisaro TMF]

Originally Posted by Bonez765

What vibe do you like?

Laid back, non pretentious, loose, have fun atmosphere that you get more in San Jose & Oakland than SF.

[Bonez765]

Originally Posted by Bisaro TMF

Laid back, non pretentious, loose, have fun atmosphere that you get more in San Jose & Oakland than SF.

I like the same. However, most of the Bay isn't like that in my opinion (here in Solano County, it's laid back but it's a suburban place where families live and old people with not so much money retire). I get those vibes in Sacramento but the job market is to the ****s there; so I'm getting to the point where I have no choice but to leave the West Coast if I want to live in a more urban area without the crap that SF has while having a doable job market.

[NewbiePoster]

Originally Posted by Bisaro TMF

Laid back, non pretentious, loose, have fun atmosphere that you get more in San Jose & Oakland than SF.

Berkeley & Oakland, definitely. OP should check those out.

[04kL4nD]

Better check them out quick. Oakland is becoming more and more like SF every day now that the secret is out. Berkeley in some ways is just as snotty as SF, depending on where you hang out.

[bmw335xi]

Berkeley is a different type of snobby. It's more like if you aren't a tree hugger then you are automatically perceived as a heartless hedge fund manager on Wall Street that steal babies for their souls.

[Bisaro TMF]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

Better check them out quick. Oakland is becoming more and more like SF every day now that the secret is out. Berkeley in some ways is just as snotty as SF, depending on where you hang out.

Yeah I went out last week to the Oakland Art Murmur , it was basically San Francisco with more Black people and the Blacks have morphed into weird dressing Hipsters also. I couldn't believe what I was walking through. I actually had to move out of Oakland because my Rent went from $2200 to $3750, but I did have a nice 2 bedroom townhouse in Broadway Grand.

[cardinal2007]

Originally Posted by WizardOfRadical

If the bay area is so amazing, why don't more people live there?

It is pretty much zoning, currently there is a lot of demand for people wanting to live in SF, and then Palo Alto. If you're very wealthy there is a big status boost living in SF, and also for Palo Alto, so people do want to pay a premium and move there, the rest of the Bay Area is also fairly expensive, but not $1000/sqft+, but there is a plenty of demand to live there.

I'm certain that if you build any half-way decent apartment building in any SF, SM Co, SC Co, Alameda Co, Contra Costa west of Pittsburg, and Marin Co. it will fill up pretty fast.

But zoning does not allow any of that, housing supply goes up much more slowly.

So yeah, more people don't live there because they would have nowhere to live, basically making them homeless As much as people want to live here, they are not willing to be homeless.

[cardinal2007]

Originally Posted by Bisaro TMF

Yeah I went out last week to the Oakland Art Murmur , it was basically San Francisco with more Black people and the Blacks have morphed into weird dressing Hipsters also. I couldn't believe what I was walking through. I actually had to move out of Oakland because my Rent went from $2200 to $3750, but I did have a nice 2 bedroom townhouse in Broadway Grand.

Oakland still has to overcome its past reputation as crime ridden or "ghetto", once it is considered "cool", people who are concerned about status will seriously consider moving there. It will be in serious risk of being considered cool like the Mission district, which is seriously a "cool" place to live and people are willing to pay over $3000/mo to live in a 1bd apt there.

The problem with the high rents is that most people not concerned about status, just are unwilling to pay the rents to get the status they don't care about, so people that are concerned about status outbid them, to the point were most people moving in are concerned about status. Over groups tend to be those that just want to live close to work, that depends on where their office is, people just trying to find an affordable place with a reasonable commute tend to be a lot of down to earth. You can certainly hope those are the type of people moving there. Too good a reputation can be a bad thing when bragging about living there give you status.

I'm pretty sure downtown San Jose's reputation is so poor that I'm not in risk of having status driven people moving here.

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by cardinal2007

I'm pretty sure downtown San Jose's reputation is so poor that I'm not in risk of having status driven people moving here.

It's also 100x nicer than Mission District too.

[Bisaro TMF]

Originally Posted by cardinal2007

Oakland still has to overcome its past reputation as crime ridden or "ghetto", once it is considered "cool", people who are concerned about status will seriously consider moving there. It will be in serious risk of being considered cool like the Mission district, which is seriously a "cool" place to live and people are willing to pay over $3000/mo to live in a 1bd apt there.

The problem with the high rents is that most people not concerned about status, just are unwilling to pay the rents to get the status they don't care about, so people that are concerned about status outbid them, to the point were most people moving in are concerned about status. Over groups tend to be those that just want to live close to work, that depends on where their office is, people just trying to find an affordable place with a reasonable commute tend to be a lot of down to earth. You can certainly hope those are the type of people moving there. Too good a reputation can be a bad thing when bragging about living there give you status.

I'm pretty sure downtown San Jose's reputation is so poor that I'm not in risk of having status driven people moving here.

That's already happening to Oakland. The rest of the Nation thinks Oakland is one big Slum but most people around here have waken up. In the past 10 years Oakland has changed faster than any city I've seen except maybe Brooklyn. The situation reminds me a lot of Brooklyn actually.