Is It Dangerous To Wear An Anti-Hillary Clinton T-Shirt In SF? (Montclair: fit in, buy)

[livinfairfax]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Odometer will roll over to 70 in not too far distant future. Lot of laughs along the way. Lots of close calls too

70 is the new 30.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by livinfairfax

Yes....fact. Let's use facts. Republicans hate them. When I was one of them, I had a really hard time arguing for facts.

Sounds like you're firmly entrenched in the left/right paradigm to me. There's a whole set of facts out there that you'll never hear about in the mainstream media, but that is beyond the scope of this thread.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by livinfairfax

Let's be real.

Republicans knew this election cycle was going to be a bust for them.

They recruited Trump as a last hail mary. That obviously did not work as evidence by Trump's defunct argument that he can win NY. He later recanted the winning CA argument.

RNC is so fragmented between liberterians, fiscal conservatives, rich people, and racists in the deep south.

Right now, the republicans have no idea what "idealogy" they stand for.

No facts, no reasonable arguments, just claiming that someone is not allowed to run for presidency because their blood is not of anglo saxon decent.

Hillary is a republican and a hawk, I support her.

These are facts.

edit: Hillary is going to wipe out the down tickets this year. That is her main goal this year, to replace the local governments with democrats. This is another fact.

Sorry, but no. I think most of these are lies. Lies that get repeated often are often accepted as truth. You've just swapped which set of lies you believe in.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Which makes it true? Intolerance of others' views isn't limited by which ideology a person subscribes to.

Agreed. But most leftists hold themselves up as the most tolerant ones. At best, they are as intolerant as the people they complain about.

This from one of the forum's most accomplished conspiracy theorists! Ahahaha.

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Well, actually, stupid = stupid, regardless of agreement or disagreement.

Yes, but that's almost never what people really mean.

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Just throwing out the name "conspiracy theorist" is name calling. People do name calling when they have nothing else to say.

[livinfairfax]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

Sounds like you're firmly entrenched in the left/right paradigm to me. There's a whole set of facts out there that you'll never hear about in the mainstream media, but that is beyond the scope of this thread.

On the contrary, I think I'm very clear on the facts and realities of politics.

Democratic party will at some point blow up into two parties, by class. (i.e. rich vs poor) Which is the way it should be.

The current GOP will become the likes of the National Front (white nationalist in France) and National Democratic (white nationalist in Germany).

I'm a moderate no matter how I'm labeled.

While there are extremists to both sides, liberals and conservatives, you have to remember the liberal extremism always exist as an ANTAGONIST to the conservative extremes. First it was the black people, then women, and now LGBT.

Republicans always avoid facts because of this. My personal pet peeve.

[the happy guy]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

Received MILLIONS of dollars from private paid speeches to some of the financial instutions that helped create the financial crisis and refuses to disclose what those speeches entailed. Has Super PACs out the ying yang that are spending hundreds of millions of dollars. The list goes on...

Yes, Hillary is indeed very accomplished, experienced, and one of the most influential women in the world, that she can command high dollar amounts for "tour of the world" speeches to a wide array of industries and organizations. That's to her credit. Accomplished People Get Paid For Speeches

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...dman-speeches/

It's standard procedure to have non-disclosure and confidentiality agreements for those type of events, and because they are legally binding, I'm sure you would be up in arms demanding for an investigation into her disclosure of said speeches. Secondly, individuals in the financial industry have donated to Clinton over the decades, yet there isn't one legit instance in which their donations have influenced her vote or policy in favor of Wall Street. Look at her senatorial voting record: strong opposition to tax cuts and exemptions, and strong support for minimum wage increases, tax increases on the wealthy, and the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.
Forbes Welcome

Just How Cozy Is Hillary Clinton With Wall Street? | Mother Jones

On the other hand, Wall Street is an industry, and individuals there can have different and competing interests. George Soros ($24 billion net worth) who pushes liberal agendas donated $8 million to a pro-Hillary Super PAC, and often does so for liberal democratic candidates.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...group-in-2015/

I'll see you in November

[livinfairfax]

Originally Posted by the happy guy

Yes, Hillary is indeed very accomplished, experienced, and one of the most influential women in the world, that she can command high dollar amounts for "tour of the world" speeches to a wide array of industries and organizations. That's to her credit. Accomplished People Get Paid For Speeches

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...dman-speeches/

It's standard procedure to have non-disclosure and confidentiality agreements for those type of events, and because they are legally binding, I'm sure you would be up in arms demanding for an investigation into her disclosure of said speeches. Secondly, individuals in the financial industry have donated to Clinton over the decades, yet there isn't one legit instance in which their donations have influenced her vote or policy in favor of Wall Street. Look at her senatorial voting record: strong opposition to tax cuts and exemptions, and strong support for minimum wage increases, tax increases on the wealthy, and the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.
Forbes Welcome

Just How Cozy Is Hillary Clinton With Wall Street? | Mother Jones

On the other hand, Wall Street is an industry, and individuals there can have different and competing interests. George Soros ($24 billion net worth) who pushes liberal agendas donated $8 million to a pro-Hillary Super PAC, and often does so for liberal democratic candidates.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/firs...group-in-2015/

I'll see you in November

I'm with her.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by livinfairfax

70 is the new 30.

Bull! I'll reach 70 next month and it's a far cry from....well....I think I remember some of 30. Now what was I saying about bovines and what are they?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

Just throwing out the name "conspiracy theorist" is name calling.

If the shoe fits ...

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

People do name calling when they have nothing else to say.

Sometimes. But not always. Other times it's by way of an introduction. And in this case you know damn well I have plenty more to say, and say well.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

I think I remember some of 30.

I do (unfortunately). But I'm not going to admit to much of it ...