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What Happened to San Francisco, Really?
It depends on which tech bro, city official, billionaire investor, grassroots activist, or Michelin-starred restaurateur you ask.
The change has been unsettling because the city’s broad project is widely shared. Since the end of the industrial period, the main path of the U.S. metropolis has been what’s often called urban renewal: transforming old frameworks into beautiful, dynamic settings for prosperous middle-class life. No city excelled at the assignment more than San Francisco. It invested in lush, landscaped parks, tree-lined boulevards, and world-class museums where there had been none. It grew rich, and seemed to climb out of the Great Recession with both influence and a mandate. “There’s a lot of pent-up envy of San Francisco from a lot of other cities that think of themselves as more important,” one local told me recently. For a long time, that envy inspired mostly emulation. Universities spent millions to reorient themselves around the Bay Area’s style of thinking. Success across industries today is measured by virality, optimization, and unceasing growth. In San Francisco, the nation saw its dreams, and now it thinks it sees its nightmares. The question is what caused so swift a change. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...ancisco-really
I think what happened to San Francisco can be summarized pretty well by the quote in the opening paragraph: “they took down the guardrails around personal responsibility".
The writing has been on the wall for quite a while. Covid only hastened the inevitable. San Francisco has all of these natural advantages - a temperate climate, beautiful hills, the bay and ocean, unique architecture, and access to wine growing regions, great Universities, and the natural beauty of yosemite, monterrey, the tahoe region, the sierra and more. But in spite of all of this the quality of life for most is in decline and the decline seems to be happening faster and faster.
I think what happened to San Francisco can be summarized pretty well by the quote in the opening paragraph: “they took down the guardrails around personal responsibility".
Huh?
San Francisco is full of the most personally responsible people in the country. SF has the 3rd highest average credit score of any large metro, behind 1st place San Jose and 2nd place Minneapolis. https://www.self.inc/info/average-cr...by-state-city/
2-earner families in the Bay Area make more money than anywhere else in the country.
Urban Areas by Median Income, 2-Earner Families, 2022($125,000+)
$250,000+-Livermore-Pleasanton-Dublin, CA
$238,772--San Jose, CA
$230,933--Concord-Walnut Creek, CA
$207,647--Boulder, CO
$206,657--San Francisco-Oakland, CA
$205,485--Lafayette-Erie-Louisville, CO
$193,329--Mission Viejo-Lake Forest-Laguna Niguel, CA
$182,134--Washington, DC-VA-MD
$181,584--Castle Rock, CO
$181,438--Santa Cruz, CA
$172,461--Gilroy-Morgan Hill, CA
$172,258--Thousand Oaks, CA
$169,300--Davis, CA
$168,530--Saratoga Springs, NY
$167,609--Napa, CA
$165,439--Boston, MA-NH
$163,801--Frederick, MD
$162,914--Bridgeport-Stamford, CT
$162,893--Seattle-Tacoma, WA
$162,627--McKinney-Frisco, TX
$161,379--Simi Valley, CA
$158,600--Santa Barbara, CA
$157,046--Charlottesville, VA
$158,075--The Woodlands, TX
$150,435---Santa Clarita, CA
$147,954--Raleigh, NC
$147,633--South Lyon-Hamburg-Genoa, MI
$148,071--Austin, TX
$146,895--Bel Air-Aberdeen, MD
$146,545--Camarillo, CA
$145,893--Denton-Lewisville, TX
$145,850--Portsmouth, NH-ME
$143,851--Denver-Aurora, CO
$143,678--Williamsburg, VA
$143,410--New York-Jersey City-Newark, NY-NJ
$142,262--Burlington, VT
$142,104--Trenton, NJ
$141,773--Waldorf, MD
$141,266--Hartford, CT
$141,063--Minneapolis-St Paul, MN
$140,405--Nashua, NH-MA
$140,491--Baltimore, MD
$140,126--Kailua-Kaneohe, HI
$139,991--San Diego, CA
$139,750--Worcester, MA-CT
$139,663--Charlotte, NC-SC
$138,864--Madison, WI
$137,256--Amherst Town-Northampton-Easthampton, MA
$137,016--Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD
$136,002--Mandeville-Covington, LA
$135,590--Portland, OR-WA
$135,676--Barnstable Town, MA
$135,587--New Haven, CT
$135,188--Santa Rosa, CA
$135,078--Winchester, VA
$135,000--Spring Hill, TN
$134,397--El Paso Robles-Atascadero, CA
$133,884--Rock Hill, SC
$133,475--Des Moines, IA
$132,916--Temecula-Murrieta-Menifee, CA
$132,337--Sacramento, CA
$131,907--Poughkeepsie-Newburgh, NY
$131,431--Ann Arbor, MI
$130,977--Vacaville, CA
$130,714--Honolulu, HI
$130,700--Seaside-Monterey-Pacific Grove, CA
$130,604--Tracy-Mountain House, CA
$130,497--Chicago, IL-IN
$129,996--Lee's Summit, MO
$129,905--Albany-Schenectady, NY
$129,375--Blacksburg-Christiansburg, VA
$129,217--Marysville, WA
$129,073--Danbury, CT
$129,032--Antioch, CA
$128,973--Huntsville, AL
$128,949--Ft Collins, CO
$128,839--Rochester, MN
$128,676--Atlanta-GA
$128,413--Nashville, TN
$128,101--Richmond, VA
$127,850--Manteca, CA
$128,618--Bremerton, WA
$127,248--Fredericksburg, VA
$127,086--Cincinnati, OH-KY
$126,748--Providence, RI-MA
$126,665--Round Lake-McHenry-Grayslake, IL-WI
$126,664--Iowa City, IA
$126,650--Portland, ME
$126,575--Columbus, OH
$126,002--Manchester, NH
$125,393--Pittsburgh, PA
oh, and educational attainment is a huge priority in this area of the country:
2022 Urban Areas by the % of Adults Age 25 or older with a Bachelor Degree or Higher: 65.2%--Livermore-Pleasanton-Dublin, CA
60.6%--Concord-Walnut Creek, CA
59.4%--Durham, NC
58.9%--Madison, WI 58.5%--San Jose, CA
57.6%--Washington, DC-VA-MD
57.5%--Ann Arbor, MI
57.2%--McKinney-Frisco, TX
57.1%--Raleigh, NC
55.4%--Austin, TX
54.3%--Mission Viejo-Lake Forest-Laguna Niguel, CA 53.9%--San Francisco-Oakland, CA
52.1%--Ft Collins, CO
51.3%--Boston, MA-NH
50.2%--The Woodlands, TX
49.2%--Charlotte, NC-SC
49.1%--Huntsville, AL
49.0%--Denton-Lewisville, TX
48.9%--Denver-Aurora, CO
48.8%--Nashville, TN
48.5%--Seattle-Tacoma, WA
48.3%--Bridgeport-Stamford, CT-NY
48.1%--Minneapolis-St Paul, MN
48.0%--Barnstable Town, MA
47.5%--Boise, ID
46.0%--Provo-Orem, UT
45.1%--Richmond, VA
45.0%--Atlanta, GA
44.5%--Bonita Springs-Estero, FL
44.4%--Columbus, OH
44.3%--Baltimore, MD
43.8%--Des Moines, IA
43.8%--New York-Jersey City-Newark, NY-NJ
43.8%--Portland, OR-WA
43.7%--San Diego, CA
42.9%--Columbia, SC
42.8%--Birmingham, AL
42.8%--Pittsburgh, PA
42.7%--Charleston, SC
42.6%--Colorado Springs, CO
42.6%--Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD
42.4%--Albany-Schenectady, NY
42.4%--Trenton, NJ
42.3%--Chicago, IL-IN
42.1%--St Louis, MO
42.0%--Kansas City, MO-KS
41.5%--Indianapolis, IN
41.2%--Worcester, MA-CT
40.9%--Omaha, NE-IA
40.8%--Rochester, NY
40.7%--Cincinnati, OH-KY
40.7%--Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers, AK-MO
40.5%--Grand Rapids, MI
40.3%--New Haven, CT
40.3%--Orlando, FL
39.7%--Harrisburg, PA
39.6%--Hartford, CT
39.5%--Milwaukee, WI
39.3%--Bradenton-Sarasota-Venice, FL
38.9%--Salt Lake City, UT
38.9%--Syracuse, NY
38.6%--Dallas-Ft Worth-Arlington, TX
38.1%--Cleveland, OH
37.9%--Greenville, SC
37.8%--Albuquerque, NM
37.8%--Winston-Salem, NC
37.7%--Palm Bay-Melbourne, FL
37.7%--Tucson, AZ
37.4%--Knoxville, TN
37.3%--Providence, RI-MA
37.2%--Miami-Ft Lauderdale, FL
37.1%--Buffalo, NY
36.9%--Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA
36.8%--Houston, TX
36.8%--Louisville, KY-IN
36.8%--Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ
36.8%--Tampa-St Petersburg, FL
36.7%--Honolulu, HI
36.6%--Jacksonville, FL
36.4%--Chattanooga, TN-GA
36.1%--Lancaster-Manheim, PA
36.0%--Little Rock, AR
36.0%--Sacramento, CA
35.7%--Ogden-Layton, UT
35.1%--Dayton, OH
35.0%--Detroit, MI
34.7%--Baton Rouge, LA
34.7%--New Orleans, LA
34.7%--Oklahoma City, OK
34.7%--Virginia Beach-Norfolk, VA
34.2%--Spokane, WA
34.1%--Tulsa, OK
33.8%--Wichita, KS
33.6%--Memphis, TN-MS-AR
32.8%--Allentown-Bethlehem, PA-NJ
32.4%--San Antonio, TX
31.3%--Toledo, OH-MI
30.2%--Port St Lucie, FL
and you talk about people being irresponsible? Yawns go somewhere with that nonsense.
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The writing has been on the wall for quite a while.
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Huh?
San Francisco is full of the most personally responsible people in the country. SF has the 3rd highest average credit score of any large metro, behind 1st place San Jose and 2nd place Minneapolis. https://www.self.inc/info/average-cr...by-state-city/
2-earner families in the Bay Area make more money than anywhere else in the country.
Urban Areas by Median Income, 2-Earner Families, 2022($125,000+)
$250,000+-Livermore-Pleasanton-Dublin, CA
$238,772--San Jose, CA
$230,933--Concord-Walnut Creek, CA
$207,647--Boulder, CO
$206,657--San Francisco-Oakland, CA
$205,485--Lafayette-Erie-Louisville, CO
$193,329--Mission Viejo-Lake Forest-Laguna Niguel, CA
$182,134--Washington, DC-VA-MD
$181,584--Castle Rock, CO
$181,438--Santa Cruz, CA
$172,461--Gilroy-Morgan Hill, CA
$172,258--Thousand Oaks, CA
$169,300--Davis, CA
$168,530--Saratoga Springs, NY
$167,609--Napa, CA
$165,439--Boston, MA-NH
$163,801--Frederick, MD
$162,914--Bridgeport-Stamford, CT
$162,893--Seattle-Tacoma, WA
$162,627--McKinney-Frisco, TX
$161,379--Simi Valley, CA
$158,600--Santa Barbara, CA
$157,046--Charlottesville, VA
$158,075--The Woodlands, TX
$150,435---Santa Clarita, CA
$147,954--Raleigh, NC
$147,633--South Lyon-Hamburg-Genoa, MI
$148,071--Austin, TX
$146,895--Bel Air-Aberdeen, MD
$146,545--Camarillo, CA
$145,893--Denton-Lewisville, TX
$145,850--Portsmouth, NH-ME
$143,851--Denver-Aurora, CO
$143,678--Williamsburg, VA
$143,410--New York-Jersey City-Newark, NY-NJ
$142,262--Burlington, VT
$142,104--Trenton, NJ
$141,773--Waldorf, MD
$141,266--Hartford, CT
$141,063--Minneapolis-St Paul, MN
$140,405--Nashua, NH-MA
$140,491--Baltimore, MD
$140,126--Kailua-Kaneohe, HI
$139,991--San Diego, CA
$139,750--Worcester, MA-CT
$139,663--Charlotte, NC-SC
$138,864--Madison, WI
$137,256--Amherst Town-Northampton-Easthampton, MA
$137,016--Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD
$136,002--Mandeville-Covington, LA
$135,590--Portland, OR-WA
$135,676--Barnstable Town, MA
$135,587--New Haven, CT
$135,188--Santa Rosa, CA
$135,078--Winchester, VA
$135,000--Spring Hill, TN
$134,397--El Paso Robles-Atascadero, CA
$133,884--Rock Hill, SC
$133,475--Des Moines, IA
$132,916--Temecula-Murrieta-Menifee, CA
$132,337--Sacramento, CA
$131,907--Poughkeepsie-Newburgh, NY
$131,431--Ann Arbor, MI
$130,977--Vacaville, CA
$130,714--Honolulu, HI
$130,700--Seaside-Monterey-Pacific Grove, CA
$130,604--Tracy-Mountain House, CA
$130,497--Chicago, IL-IN
$129,996--Lee's Summit, MO
$129,905--Albany-Schenectady, NY
$129,375--Blacksburg-Christiansburg, VA
$129,217--Marysville, WA
$129,073--Danbury, CT
$129,032--Antioch, CA
$128,973--Huntsville, AL
$128,949--Ft Collins, CO
$128,839--Rochester, MN
$128,676--Atlanta-GA
$128,413--Nashville, TN
$128,101--Richmond, VA
$127,850--Manteca, CA
$128,618--Bremerton, WA
$127,248--Fredericksburg, VA
$127,086--Cincinnati, OH-KY
$126,748--Providence, RI-MA
$126,665--Round Lake-McHenry-Grayslake, IL-WI
$126,664--Iowa City, IA
$126,650--Portland, ME
$126,575--Columbus, OH
$126,002--Manchester, NH
$125,393--Pittsburgh, PA
oh, and educational attainment is a huge priority in this area of the country:
2022 Urban Areas by the % of Adults Age 25 or older with a Bachelor Degree or Higher: 65.2%--Livermore-Pleasanton-Dublin, CA
60.6%--Concord-Walnut Creek, CA
59.4%--Durham, NC
58.9%--Madison, WI 58.5%--San Jose, CA
57.6%--Washington, DC-VA-MD
57.5%--Ann Arbor, MI
57.2%--McKinney-Frisco, TX
57.1%--Raleigh, NC
55.4%--Austin, TX
54.3%--Mission Viejo-Lake Forest-Laguna Niguel, CA 53.9%--San Francisco-Oakland, CA
52.1%--Ft Collins, CO
51.3%--Boston, MA-NH
50.2%--The Woodlands, TX
49.2%--Charlotte, NC-SC
49.1%--Huntsville, AL
49.0%--Denton-Lewisville, TX
48.9%--Denver-Aurora, CO
48.8%--Nashville, TN
48.5%--Seattle-Tacoma, WA
48.3%--Bridgeport-Stamford, CT-NY
48.1%--Minneapolis-St Paul, MN
48.0%--Barnstable Town, MA
47.5%--Boise, ID
46.0%--Provo-Orem, UT
45.1%--Richmond, VA
45.0%--Atlanta, GA
44.5%--Bonita Springs-Estero, FL
44.4%--Columbus, OH
44.3%--Baltimore, MD
43.8%--Des Moines, IA
43.8%--New York-Jersey City-Newark, NY-NJ
43.8%--Portland, OR-WA
43.7%--San Diego, CA
42.9%--Columbia, SC
42.8%--Birmingham, AL
42.8%--Pittsburgh, PA
42.7%--Charleston, SC
42.6%--Colorado Springs, CO
42.6%--Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD
42.4%--Albany-Schenectady, NY
42.4%--Trenton, NJ
42.3%--Chicago, IL-IN
42.1%--St Louis, MO
42.0%--Kansas City, MO-KS
41.5%--Indianapolis, IN
41.2%--Worcester, MA-CT
40.9%--Omaha, NE-IA
40.8%--Rochester, NY
40.7%--Cincinnati, OH-KY
40.7%--Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers, AK-MO
40.5%--Grand Rapids, MI
40.3%--New Haven, CT
40.3%--Orlando, FL
39.7%--Harrisburg, PA
39.6%--Hartford, CT
39.5%--Milwaukee, WI
39.3%--Bradenton-Sarasota-Venice, FL
38.9%--Salt Lake City, UT
38.9%--Syracuse, NY
38.6%--Dallas-Ft Worth-Arlington, TX
38.1%--Cleveland, OH
37.9%--Greenville, SC
37.8%--Albuquerque, NM
37.8%--Winston-Salem, NC
37.7%--Palm Bay-Melbourne, FL
37.7%--Tucson, AZ
37.4%--Knoxville, TN
37.3%--Providence, RI-MA
37.2%--Miami-Ft Lauderdale, FL
37.1%--Buffalo, NY
36.9%--Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA
36.8%--Houston, TX
36.8%--Louisville, KY-IN
36.8%--Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ
36.8%--Tampa-St Petersburg, FL
36.7%--Honolulu, HI
36.6%--Jacksonville, FL
36.4%--Chattanooga, TN-GA
36.1%--Lancaster-Manheim, PA
36.0%--Little Rock, AR
36.0%--Sacramento, CA
35.7%--Ogden-Layton, UT
35.1%--Dayton, OH
35.0%--Detroit, MI
34.7%--Baton Rouge, LA
34.7%--New Orleans, LA
34.7%--Oklahoma City, OK
34.7%--Virginia Beach-Norfolk, VA
34.2%--Spokane, WA
34.1%--Tulsa, OK
33.8%--Wichita, KS
33.6%--Memphis, TN-MS-AR
32.8%--Allentown-Bethlehem, PA-NJ
32.4%--San Antonio, TX
31.3%--Toledo, OH-MI
30.2%--Port St Lucie, FL
and you talk about people being irresponsible? Yawns go somewhere with that nonsense.
has it tho?
Those people are working - average in the homeless with 0 income and you'd be near last place.
Those people are working - average in the homeless with 0 income and you'd be near last place.
Only to those that are mathematically challenged. The current estimate of homelessness at some point in the year fall into the 20k range. San Francisco has approximately 815k people. It's highly unlikely 2 1/2% of the population would make that kind of dent on any of the numbers supplied by 18Montclair, but feel free to keep your hyperbole and bashing going. It would be laughable if it wasn't so boring at this point.
You read the quote right, “they took down the guardrails around personal responsibility".
I'm not sure why you go on to talk about credit scores, bachelor degrees and the median income of 2-earner families.
Ok. What's your criteria for personal responsibility? And how does that apply to the majority of people living in San Francisco?
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