Bay Area is more dangerous and "ghetto" than the LA Area (San Francisco: fit in, hotel)

[killakoolaide]

Oakland is tough, but SF I'd have to see to believe.

The demographics in san fran don't match up, so its ghettos are probably small and isolated. Ghettos in the Midwest and NE take up entire sections of the city, Like Chicago's southside, or North Philly.

SF's ghettos could be just as bad, but they are not as wide spred, their demographics just don't support any claim of them havinng massive slums.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by killakoolaide

Oakland is tough, but SF I'd have to see to believe.

The demographics in san fran don't match up, so its ghettos are probably small and isolated. Ghettos in the Midwest and NE take up entire sections of the city, Like Chicago's southside, or North Philly.

SF's ghettos could be just as bad, but they are not as wide spred, their demographics just don't support any claim of them havinng massive slums.

Demographics=slums? hmmmmm

Anyone else have a problem with this connotation?

[killakoolaide]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

Demographics=slums? hmmmmm

Anyone else have a problem with this connotation?

Maybe you don't understand what I'm talking about because your from cali.

Maybe you do know what I'm talking about, but you run with the PC crowd.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by killakoolaide

Maybe you don't understand what I'm talking about because your from cali.

Maybe you do know what I'm talking about, but you run with the PC crowd.

I'm from California and I don't run with any crowd.

Perhaps your first statement is correct; I just don't understand what you're saying.

[killakoolaide]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

I'm from California and I don't run with any crowd.

Perhaps your first statement is correct; I just don't understand what you're saying.

Don't worry about it then. SF's as tough as you want it to be.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by killakoolaide

Don't worry about it then. SF's as tough as you want it to be.

Have you been there? I have

[killakoolaide]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

Have you been there? I have

I know people, that have been there, and they say its a whole lot different.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by killakoolaide

I know people, that have been there, and they say its a whole lot different.

Ah ok. I know people who've been to Europe but I'll never really know what it's like until I go there myself. So for that, I will give you some credit when you say that you'll need to see SF yourself.

However, I wouldn't assume if I were you that it's really not as bad as some here are saying. Perhaps your friends did not venture south of Market St. Hell when I go to SF I never stray south of Market myself. I will go into east Oakland before I venture into Hunters Point any day. Night time is different for both cities, however downtown Oakland is safe as the people from the bad parts of Oakland tend to stay put there for the most part. In SF, the "south of Market" invades downtown most nights. Just look at jman's post; most of the crime he witnessed was in San Francisco.

Now don't get me wrong, I love the Bay Area more than you'll ever know. However I take the bad with the good and I know it has a lot of bad. However, ignoring that is not the way I learned to love it when I lived there nor when I go back there from time to time.

[Kense]

Originally Posted by killakoolaide

Oakland is tough, but SF I'd have to see to believe.

The demographics in san fran don't match up, so its ghettos are probably small and isolated. Ghettos in the Midwest and NE take up entire sections of the city, Like Chicago's southside, or North Philly.

SF's ghettos could be just as bad, but they are not as wide spred, their demographics just don't support any claim of them havinng massive slums.

See what to believe? Becuase it has a small Black population you don't think it can be that bad? Just come out and say it. San Francisco has housing projects with as much crime as any place in the country. Bad is Bad, it may not look as bad as North Philly or Detroit etc, but Sunnydale, Bayview, parts of fillmore etc are crime infested. It doesn't have to be wide spread, the city is so compact it affects everybody. You'll see plenty of crime in the Tenderloin, SOMA and other area's tourist get caught up in. Ride the Muni around the city and you'll be traumatized.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Kense

See what to believe? Becuase it has a small Black population you don't think it can be that bad? Just come out and say it. San Francisco has housing projects with as much crime as any place in the country. Bad is Bad, it may not look as bad as North Philly or Detroit etc, but Sunnydale, Bayview, parts of fillmore etc are crime infested. It doesn't have to be wide spread, the city is so compact it affects everybody. You'll see plenty of crime in the Tenderloin, SOMA and other area's tourist get caught up in. Ride the Muni around the city and you'll be traumatized.

Spot on with all points. That's what I was saying buy his connotation about the small black population. I never, ever ride that muni metro. Generally the only muni bus I ride when there is the 5 to get to Golden Gate Park. I walk along the entire embarcadero.

What area was that where the guys were walking around terrorizing people with pitbulls? I only heard about it.