The UW recently ranked among the top 10 global universities

[ncrunner77]

Originally Posted by thatguy950

I think their full time MBA is in the top 20 these days, or really close. The CS program is choice as well but ULTRA competitive

Truth! There is no doubt their CS program has been "crushing it". Makes sense as the region is awash in programmer riches. Pulling local talent offering "dual-gig" professorship-keep your day-job "sweet heart" deals to engineers from the surrounding ultra relevant mega-corps (Amazon, MS). Also, being able to tap into their kids as students (probably have gotten just a little extra programming "help" from pops at home to give them a "leg-up"). As a bonus, poaching from the likes of Carnegie Melon.

Yet this global ranking BS has their CS ranked pretty far down the list at #107. I mean... really? c'mon man!

https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...seattle-236948

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Has it occurred to anyone, that an American magazine doing a list of top universities globally, might not be completely objective? Would a Canadian team include McGill, and place U of Toronto higher? Would.a Brit team place Oxford and Cambridge in the top 5? And ask "UW who?!"

IMO this list is highly suspect.UW ahead of Yale? Really?? I guess there's no point in WA State students to apply to Princeton, Harvard or Yale, then, since they have their own competitively-ranked school right at home?

Exactly. These new global rankings make no sense... even less than the long established national rankings.... which have long been suspect. See above in this post regarding the magazine's "dis" of UW's stellar CS program.

[ScottStielow]

A lot of the kids I know here I Aiea that go to Washington for College. Like Seattle U or Seattle Pacific. The ones who go to UW are the Medical Students, nursing in particular. Just a sample of people out here going to college on the main land. But overall UW has a good following out here.

[ncrunner77]

Originally Posted by ScottStielow

A lot of the kids I know here I Aiea that go to Washington for College. Like Seattle U or Seattle Pacific. The ones who go to UW are the Medical Students, nursing in particular. Just a sample of people out here going to college on the main land. But overall UW has a good following out here.

Yes, nursing at UW is very VERY strong -thanks for pointing that out. We love our nurses! Seriously, not being sarcastic.... just ask anyone who has ever been in a hospital.

This along with their medicine, public health, and CS. But.... 10th best university in the world overall I have my doubts. Again, same mag has UW ranked #59 overall.... in the US.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by rjshae

Ah well, lists are just somebody's opinion. For what it's worth though, the UW has had nine Nobel prize winners on its long-term staff; primarily in medicine but also physics and economics. Sure, they might not be at the top, but they aren't chopped liver either.

OK, thank you, this is helpful.

[thatguy950]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Has it occurred to anyone, that an American magazine doing a list of top universities globally, might not be completely objective? Would a Canadian team include McGill, and place U of Toronto higher? Would.a Brit team place Oxford and Cambridge in the top 5? And ask "UW who?!"

IMO this list is highly suspect.UW ahead of Yale? Really?? I guess there's no point in WA State students to apply to Princeton, Harvard or Yale, then, since they have their own competitively-ranked school right at home?

Well yeah, but let’s also consider the ROI. A student would be much better off spending way less to go to UW for something like CS, accounting, MBA, engineering, etc. than going to an Ivy and spending way more for a useless liberal arts degree

[CrazyDonkey]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Has it occurred to anyone, that an American magazine doing a list of top universities globally, might not be completely objective? Would a Canadian team include McGill, and place U of Toronto higher? Would.a Brit team place Oxford and Cambridge in the top 5? And ask "UW who?!"

IMO this list is highly suspect.UW ahead of Yale? Really?? I guess there's no point in WA State students to apply to Princeton, Harvard or Yale, then, since they have their own competitively-ranked school right at home?

UW and Yale are close in their scores: 84.6 vs. 84.2. UW is ranked in the top-20 for seven indicators, vs six for Yale.


UW top-20 indicator rankings:

Total citations #7 (Yale #17)

Number of publications that are among the 10 percent most cited #9 (Yale #17)

Publications #11 (Yale #30)

Regional research reputation #17 (Yale #9)

Percentage of total publications that are among the 10 percent most cited #17 (Yale #15)

Percentage of highly cited papers that are among the top 1 percent most cited #18 (Yale #25)

Normalized citation impact #19 (Yale #20)


Yale top-20 indicator rankings:

Global research reputation: #9 (UW #28)

Regional research reputation #9 (UW #17)

Books #12 (UW #69)

Total citations #17 (UW #7)

Number of publications that are among the 10 percent most cited #17 (UW #9)

Percentage of total publications that are among the 10 percent most cited #15 (UW #17)


Note that the "gross", vs. "percentage", indicators reward UW's size advantage:

Total number of students 45,476 (Yale 12,318)

Number of international students 7,313 (Yale 2,465)

Total number of academic staff 4,030 (Yale 2,359)

Number of international staff 732 (Yale 516)


The rankings, thus, do not presume to measure which are the "best" from a purely qualitative perspective. However, if one of the criteria is to gauge the "global" impact of the school, then "size" does matter. This could also help explain the shift toward U.S. universities, many of which are simply bigger.

[Blondebaerde]

Originally Posted by thatguy950

I think their full time MBA is in the top 20 these days, or really close. The CS program is choice as well but ULTRA competitive

A business contact of mine is former B-school admissions Director for one of the programs at Cornell (SC Johnson School of Business), my alma. There is fierce fighting for the US News and World Reports annual (or so) B-school rankings. If there is skulduggery or not to obtain those rankings, well, who is to say? Given the money and prestige at stake from donors and alum (like me), well...

Johnson is consistently #11-15, past c. 15 years. They've sure fought for it and seldom broken into Top-10. They were a bastard of program, in a good way, weeding out a bit more than 10% over the two year run. Actually, one might wonder if that is low, but most people who start a B-school program at T-0 are really, really motivated to finish with their class (about) two years later at T-1. I sure was. We worked for it.

SO: looking up latest, I see Johnson is once again no. 15. Top-10 are no surprise, always with Wharton (Penn), Kellogg (NW), HBS (Harvard), Sloan (MIT), and Stanford. Ross and Columbia, too. From there to "best of the rest" is always a fight with Fuqua (Dude), Darden (UV), Haas (Berkeley) being in there somewhere. Bottom best-of-the-rest varies.

Wharton two year is up to about two hundred grand, so someone might want to think about that real carefully. Step One is expected value of return, with a series of assumptions therein. YMMV, mine surely paid off more than I imagined and vaulted me up one economic "class", we might say.

Does it "matter": wish I knew, but I don't live "back East". Out here in the Provinces...and Seattle surely is that...there is a special, and rather cute, contempt for much academically east of Moscow, Idaho and south of Corvallis, OR. Yet some of the top consultancies with outposts out here DO care about where you went to B-school and WILL bust your chops in interviews to see if you can stand tall with the Harvard, Ross, Sloan, and Wharton (wo)men.

Foster is no. 22 on said-list, definitely up from about no. 30 years back. They're making a run for it. I've met some sharp Foster grads and mull occasionally if I should have gone that way vs. more cost/effort at Johnson, since I've since elected to stay in Seattle physically throughout rest of my career.

One could do much worse, no. 22 is in august company indeed, Rice on one side and USC on the other (Marshall).

[SaltyDawg]

Go ask any recruiter from Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple. UW's CS school is top 10 globally and getting BETTER. They're going to open a huge new dedicated building in the spring that will I believe triple the number of students they can take in.

There are very clear benefits in having a massive state research institution in the same town as 2 of the 4 largest (market cap) companies on planet earth.

For what has long been considered a provincial town, UW punches way above it's weight class. It is earned.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by ScottStielow

A lot of the kids I know here I Aiea that go to Washington for College. Like Seattle U or Seattle Pacific. The ones who go to UW are the Medical Students, nursing in particular. Just a sample of people out here going to college on the main land. But overall UW has a good following out here.

I wonder if your local crowd picks those schools, because they offer the best financial aid package? But Seattle U is a good school, anyway. Maybe they prefer smaller schools, with more of a community atmosphere?

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by SaltyDawg

Go ask any recruiter from Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple. UW's CS school is top 10 globally and getting BETTER. They're going to open a huge new dedicated building in the spring that will I believe triple the number of students they can take in.

There are very clear benefits in having a massive state research institution in the same town as 2 of the 4 largest (market cap) companies on planet earth.

For what has long been considered a provincial town, UW punches way above it's weight class. It is earned.

Where's the huge new building going to go? Just curious.