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... Going to live rural is exiting the economy - to be able to do so, you have to be well to do.
Making $9,000/year is 'Well to do" ?
I have a few friends to do okay here on $9,000/year, but I have never heard them called 'Well to do" before. the average household income here is mid to lower $20ks, but that is mostly families raising children.
That's what I told him. He's getting disruptive again.
As my old pappy used to say, you can dress them up all you want, but a skunk is a skunk and you can't change the smell, and they will still suck eggs any chance they get.
Hey, if you have all the people penned into a small area they're easier to control. Instead of needing hundreds of thousands to control vast areas of territory, you only need a few hundred to pen folks into a small densly populated area.
Why do you think the Nazis and the Communists used concentration camps and ghettos?
Folks who are outside the established limits require more officers to run down and keep under the thumb of the ruling commisar.
City living is perfect for controlling the population by controlling the food supply, water, power, and yes, even the economic opportunities are funneled into a small district like wall street so they are easier to track and tax.
Cities are tailor made for controlling people, so sure, there are those that prefer the government to watch over every moment of your lives from cradle to grave, telling you where to go, what you can do, where you can live, so they feel more comfortable living under someones control.
If the all-knowing, all caring government makes a mistake every once in a while and kills some innocent, so what?
Plenty more where those came from.
Those that choose to live under the government's thumb can't understand why other's want to make their own decisions and take responsibility for their own lives. It's an alien concept to them, so they will deride those that choose to live outside the shelter of the herd.
I enjoy the greater freedom available in rural living.
Lower taxes, lower Cost-Of-Living and far less government regulation are all available in rural America [as compared directly to urban America].
Obviously $200k/year jobs are few in rural America, but when you can support a family on $20k/year, who 'needs' the $200k?
Best of all is the greater availability to live in a self-supporting lifestyle that approaches self-sufficiency.
Your information is incorrect then. You conveniently overlooked the posts where I stated that I own a company involved in alternative energies and bio-diesel in part because I do have a degree in Electronics so I do most of the design work for the company.
Ok great. I guess my information is incorrect, I will try and fish out where you said what I think you said.
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I don't care if somebody works for the government, there are a lot of good folks that do and work to the best of their ability within the restrictions of their offices. I just don't have any use for the mindless drones that only exist to create hardship on the citizens and find new ways to confiscate their money for some "worthy" project that usually only serves to line their own pockets at the expense of the people that actually could use some help.
Maybe you should change the way the government works. For starters, I think - we could use a 3rd party. Also, maybe we could get the money out of politics. It will take good people to effect that change.
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I don't care how you want to live, you do your thing and I'll do mine.
Deal?
Why, of course. It's not like I can do anything about anything anyways. We are just talking, it's a free country (is it?).
One simple suggestion: be wary of anyone who wants you to do anything for the sake of some supposed "greater good of all"; that's where the agendae are usually hatched.
I enjoy the greater freedom available in rural living.
Lower taxes, lower Cost-Of-Living and far less government regulation are all available in rural America [as compared directly to urban America].
Obviously $200k/year jobs are few in rural America, but when you can support a family on $20k/year, who 'needs' the $200k?
Best of all is the greater availability to live in a self-supporting lifestyle that approaches self-sufficiency.
In the interest of TRUTH , it should be pointed out that living on $20K/year is subsisting one step away from disaster and financial ruin. Or, I should say one equipment, car, truck breakdown or one hospital bill away, really. It is a high-stress existence, knowing that you are living that way - don't know if that is any better stress than living in a city and working in a cubicle.
Now, living on $20K/year means that you paid for your land in cash, all your buildings, equipment, vehicles, so on and so on is all paid for. Furthermore, your farm will not be viable at least for the 1st year so you better have a bank account to accommodate that (and probably one more year to be sure). Where did all that money come from?
How many people on this forum are subsisting on small acreages that were cheap, breaking their backs farming and praying to God the crops don't fail? All I read is people with 2nd or 3rd homes in Tennessee, Maine and who knows where else. That's called disposable income and spending disposable income on a 2nd home is no different than a city slicker spending disposable income on a new Mercedes - we are talking people who can afford it. Funny though, if you bought a 2nd rural home for play in Tennessee, you are a wise prepper, if you bought a Mercedes, you are a spoilt city a*hole or better yet, the favorite insult - dumb sheep. And finally, if you point all this out on this forum - you are being disruptive
The $20K/year family could really benefit from a universal healthcare system, don't you think? However, the folks on this forum (the "self sufficient" crowd that has a 2nd or 3rd home, family "pools" of land and multiple businesses or multi-hundred acre holdings) won't let them have it, ya know, it's a matter of principle. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. You stay in the city, hang on a job and pay for your own insurance - you are a dumb sheep. You wanna be a farmer and self-sufficient and live on $20K/year but you don't deserve healthcare, apparently it is not a "right". But hey, "we applaud you for trying to be self-sufficient on a farm and live on $20K/year, just don't come to the hospital and expect a treatment ya parasites!".
Maybe you should change the way the government works. For starters, I think - we could use a 3rd party. Also, maybe we could get the money out of politics. It will take good people to effect that change.
I am kind of curious what 3rd party you would like.
If we got the money out of politics, that wold mean the unions and George Soros would also be prohibited from contributing, which wouldn't be so bad either.
If we got the money out of politics, that wold mean the unions and George Soros would also be prohibited from contributing, which wouldn't be so bad either.
That's silly. I would like a party that represents the middle class - people like me who are working our butts off to have a proper life, people like me who pay our taxes with the faith that we should be getting something in return for paying the taxes. I guess wanting a universal healthcare system makes me a socialist in your eyes.
Here is the conundrum: for a party here to become popular it needs money. Having the money makes them exactly the same as the existing two parties. Hence, money needs to be removed by law - this will not happen as the currently ruling two parties are funded by money. So, we are stuck.
Money out of politics means ALL money out of politics, I am tired (and I think a lot of other people are) of rich people and corporations buying senators and congressmen to pass laws that only benefit them.
Unfortunately, if you vote for a third party in America you might as well throw your vote out the window. Its like giving your vote to the side you don't want to vote for.
I'd like money out of politics too but I don't think thats going to happen.
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, it should be pointed out that living on $20K/year is subsisting one step away from disaster and financial ruin. Or, I should say one equipment, car, truck breakdown or one hospital bill away, really. It is a high-stress existence, knowing that you are living that way - don't know if that is any better stress than living in a city and working in a cubicle.
