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Old 01-24-2015, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Texas
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You most definitely must want to quit before you will successfully quit. You must derive no enjoyment from the experience of using. The pain and or fear must exceed the pleasure each time you use. It's then a matter of deciding to no longer hang out with users (even though they are friends) and consciously exploring and finding alternative ways to spend your time now that you aren't spending it scoring & using.

If you haven't reached that point where using is more painful or problematic than it is pleasurable, then stop messing with thinking about quitting. Enjoy yourself. Practise moderation if you can. Enjoy yourself, it's later than you think---and this place is Hell. Is it therefore deserving of sobriety & denial of desires just because SOME or even MOST people say it is unhealthy & naughty? We live in Hell. Do we really wanna worry about prolonging our existence here? I say, SMOKE 'EM IF YOU'VE GOT 'EM! And ditto for drinking & snorting & and all the rest.

No one gets out of this life without loads of illness, injuries, misery, and pain. The clean & sober "healthy" people don't really have it any easier than anyone else. They still get ill. They still get betrayed. They still go into debt. They still get injured and they still die horrible deaths like everyone else.
I would be a drinkie/druggie if my outlook was this bleak.
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Old 01-24-2015, 03:52 PM
 
Location: NYC
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I just accepted my addiction. The 12-step program was of no help because I don't believe in a higher being. The only thing that kind of helped me take my addiction down a notch was my belief in a lower being--myself as a homeless guy because I squandered all my money on my addiction. I was heading in that direction and living more miserably wasn't something I was prepared to do for my addiction.

Accept your addiction. Just take it down a notch. Continue on living. It works.
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Old 01-24-2015, 03:59 PM
 
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No one gets out of this life without loads of illness, injuries, misery, and pain. The clean & sober "healthy" people don't really have it any easier than anyone else. They still get ill. They still get betrayed. They still go into debt. They still get injured and they still die horrible deaths like everyone else.
Is this one of those "mother tells her son to wash his hands and son replies - "why bother, they will get dirty again anyways"" stories?
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Old 01-24-2015, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Texas and Arkansas
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I don't drink soda. I didn't quit soda. I don't say, "Oh, I CAN'T drink soda." I just decided I am not a person who drinks soda.
I could probably quit the soda, but water doesn't chase the whiskey very well.
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Old 01-24-2015, 06:05 PM
 
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Is this one of those "mother tells her son to wash his hands and son replies - "why bother, they will get dirty again anyways"" stories?
Yea, sort of.

Why struggle with sobriety when you still prefer to be stoned? Who are you trying to be sober for?

Sobriety only means a damn when you want it.
Being sober and yet hating it is much worse existentially than being stoned and loving it.

Why struggle with anything in a world & life where the struggles are never-ending?

Take the easy way out.
Always.

Always make things easy on yourself. Go with your own grain even if doing so goes against someone else's.

There are no true standards of life-styles & life-spans to measure up to---only small-minded illusions & delusions created by fearful humans.
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Old 01-24-2015, 06:19 PM
 
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Agree or not, when I switched my addiction to Jesus, I found the power to quit vices.
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Old 01-24-2015, 06:58 PM
 
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therapy helps a lot but from my experience it only helps if you're the one who has chosen to participate.

i have overcome an addiction and a few other things that helped me: gradually cutting down vs. going cold turkey, practicing mindfulness, maintaining supportive people in my life, journaling.

also i had a traumatic experience that motivated me. physical side effects also motivated me. wanting to have children motivated me, too.
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Old 01-24-2015, 06:59 PM
 
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Agree or not, when I switched my addiction to Jesus, I found the power to quit vices.
it doesnt have to be jesus for this idea to work! trying to get in touch with your deeper feelings in that way is helpful.
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Old 01-24-2015, 07:53 PM
 
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I quite smoking in 1974. I only smoked when not at work but realized even then I was addicted. I just shrugged it off. I used the patch and stopped because I recongized the heath reason to stop.
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Old 01-24-2015, 08:20 PM
 
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Cannabis ("marijuana") can help people quit tobacco & can make alcoholics become moderate drinkers. It has helped with other addictions, too, see "marijuana, the anti-drug".
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