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And when the witch takes your guns, then what. Will you stand and fight? Or just puss out and give them up like the other sheeple - until the gas chambers are built and you are standing at the door?
Exactly.
Without the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights, the other nine can't be guaranteed.
No, I have not. I have attempted to tone down some of the political rhetoric that has caused so much dissention here, resulting in moderator cuts and closures. Nothing wrong with that. Persons who insist on bringing political discussion here should go to "Politics and Other Controversies".
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It is impossible to separate politics from the discussion. Many of us think the most likely SHTF scenario will result from political/governmental causes, not natural disaster or foreign invasion.
It is impossible to separate politics from the discussion. Many of us think the most likely SHTF scenario will result from political/governmental causes, not natural disaster or foreign invasion.
That is not the type of discussion I was referring to (if you could call it "discussion").
We had a sort of left/right split, and a SHTF/no-it-won't type of split, plus there are many fine people who will not return here because the backbone of this board is pro-gun and they are not. A good deal of attacks and flaming going on, fueled by what seemed to be jealousy as well as that little box on the right about "active threads around the forum", which drew in a lot of the curious and the uninformed. Agree with it or not, most of C-D is quite liberal politically, and to invite them into this enclave of older conservative white guys, was just asking for trouble, and there was plenty of it.
It got so bad that we had posters asking for this board to be split into two - one for self-sufficiency, where the "sane" people could post in peace, and one for the "wackos and nut cases" into TEOTWAWKI and preparedness for same. One should note, nowhere does the title include "Survivalism".
It got so bad that they sent a mod in to close threads, delete posts, and generally keep an eye on things.
A few of us here took it upon ourselves to start a totally new type of thread, getting back to basics, which were so bland that trolls and other miscreants were bored to tears, and departed for greener troll pastures. Fine with me. Those few who have returned are generally better behaved.
One more flaming war, and I'm outta here. HiW seems to yearn for those "good ol' days", I guess.....
How is this relevant to physical and financial preparedness in rural America? What sort of situation (terrain, remoteness, etc.) do you have on your estate? How are you preparing? Please be specific. This is the S-S & P forum, not the Politics forum.
Sorry, I just read the post about the wealth distribution in Germany. I just wanted to correct it. I didn't realized that this forum is about "self-sufficiency and preparedness". I can still not believe that there is a need for such a forum.
The statements in the video you showed us are so absurd in my opinion. Your statement "Save a life; carry a gun" is so shocking. Just look at how low the homicide rates in Europe are compared to the U.S. Even major cities are safer than rural parts in the U.S. The chance that one of your family members will get killed by your own gun is so much higher than the chance that they are killed by burglars.
The differences in the mindsets of conservative Americans compared to average Europeans are so huge. It's not meant as an insult, but some conservative Americans seems for us like humans from another planet.
Many Americans also don't understand the differences between a social market economy and socialism. Socialism will always fail. Of course it will lead to high crime rates and poverty.
Sanders isn't a socialist. In Germany he would be considered as a moderate or right-wing social democrat.
But to get back to the topic of this forum. I have never seen the need to be prepared for anything. Our fridges are most of the time almost always nearly empty. We have seven grocery stores in walking distance (less than half a mile). And I have never seen a shortage of food at a grocery store, with the exception of Walmart. We had Walmart stores in Germany between 1997 and 2006. They had constantly issues with keeping the shelves stocked. And I have seen many empty shelves in Russia in 1994.
The longest blackout we ever had was about 20 minutes. The reason for this blackout was repair work and it was announced three days in advance. I think we have a few flashlights in the house. But it's unlikely that we will ever need them.
To think that the U.S. or a European country will ever get in a similar situation like Venezuela, is completely absurd. My parents told me about their situations in Germany from 1945 to 1948. They told me how tedious it was to stand in line for food.
The only thing that could bring such a situation back is probably if Donald Trump will become the next US president.
I didn't realized that this forum is about "self-sufficiency and preparedness". I can still not believe that there is a need for such a forum....
Your statement "Save a life; carry a gun" is so shocking....
But to get back to the topic of this forum. I have never seen the need to be prepared for anything. Our fridges are most of the time almost always nearly empty.....
OK, Guido, here is an example of what is drawn over here by the "active threads" box.
No clue, no empathy, and all EU socialism/liberalism. Their women get raped in Cologne by migrants, and still they want to keep 'em coming right in. Police are not allowed to use the word "rape"!
IMO, this is the biggest danger to the US, mandated by the UN and carried out by liberal politicians. More of C-D forum membership agrees with this thinking, than with ours. Many in the US are not far behind. You can see why we had to put a damper on the "political" discussions.
Germany? My late father was a soldier in WWII. If anyone should realize how much things can change..........
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Sorry, I just read the post about the wealth distribution in Germany. I just wanted to correct it. I didn't realized that this forum is about "self-sufficiency and preparedness". I can still not believe that there is a need for such a forum.
The statements in the video you showed us are so absurd in my opinion. Your statement "Save a life; carry a gun" is so shocking. Just look at how low the homicide rates in Europe are compared to the U.S. Even major cities are safer than rural parts in the U.S. The chance that one of your family members will get killed by your own gun is so much higher than the chance that they are killed by burglars.
The differences in the mindsets of conservative Americans compared to average Europeans are so huge. It's not meant as an insult, but some conservative Americans seems for us like humans from another planet.
Many Americans also don't understand the differences between a social market economy and socialism. Socialism will always fail. Of course it will lead to high crime rates and poverty.
Sanders isn't a socialist. In Germany he would be considered as a moderate or right-wing social democrat.
But to get back to the topic of this forum. I have never seen the need to be prepared for anything. Our fridges are most of the time almost always nearly empty. We have seven grocery stores in walking distance (less than half a mile). And I have never seen a shortage of food at a grocery store, with the exception of Walmart. We had Walmart stores in Germany between 1997 and 2006. They had constantly issues with keeping the shelves stocked. And I have seen many empty shelves in Russia in 1994.
The longest blackout we ever had was about 20 minutes. The reason for this blackout was repair work and it was announced three days in advance. I think we have a few flashlights in the house. But it's unlikely that we will ever need them.
To think that the U.S. or a European country will ever get in a similar situation like Venezuela, is completely absurd. My parents told me about their situations in Germany from 1945 to 1948. They told me how tedious it was to stand in line for food.
The only thing that could bring such a situation back is probably if Donald Trump will become the next US president.
Sorry, I just read the post about the wealth distribution in Germany. I just wanted to correct it. I didn't realized that this forum is about "self-sufficiency and preparedness". I can still not believe that there is a need for such a forum.
The statements in the video you showed us are so absurd in my opinion. Your statement "Save a life; carry a gun" is so shocking. Just look at how low the homicide rates in Europe are compared to the U.S. Even major cities are safer than rural parts in the U.S. The chance that one of your family members will get killed by your own gun is so much higher than the chance that they are killed by burglars.
The differences in the mindsets of conservative Americans compared to average Europeans are so huge. It's not meant as an insult, but some conservative Americans seems for us like humans from another planet.
Many Americans also don't understand the differences between a social market economy and socialism. Socialism will always fail. Of course it will lead to high crime rates and poverty.
Sanders isn't a socialist. In Germany he would be considered as a moderate or right-wing social democrat.
But to get back to the topic of this forum. I have never seen the need to be prepared for anything. Our fridges are most of the time almost always nearly empty. We have seven grocery stores in walking distance (less than half a mile). And I have never seen a shortage of food at a grocery store, with the exception of Walmart. We had Walmart stores in Germany between 1997 and 2006. They had constantly issues with keeping the shelves stocked. And I have seen many empty shelves in Russia in 1994.
The longest blackout we ever had was about 20 minutes. The reason for this blackout was repair work and it was announced three days in advance. I think we have a few flashlights in the house. But it's unlikely that we will ever need them.
To think that the U.S. or a European country will ever get in a similar situation like Venezuela, is completely absurd. My parents told me about their situations in Germany from 1945 to 1948. They told me how tedious it was to stand in line for food.
The only thing that could bring such a situation back is probably if Donald Trump will become the next US president.
Hello? Hello? Can you hear me in Fantasyland?
Never faced a shortage? Pretty lucky. I guess you didn't live near New Orleans when Katrina went thru, or the eastern seaboard after Sandy. I'll never forget the aftermath of The Snow of '67 in Chicago. Trucks couldn't get thru the streets to deliver food for a week-- people fighting over the last loaf of bread at the store, etc.
We don't need a political revolution to require some basic preparedness, although some of us include that in our preps. Are you prepared for a major solar storm like the Carrington event? We're statistically "over-due" for one.
re: homicide rates in Europe compared to here. It's sociology, not availability of guns. Check, for instance, the location & demographics of homicide in notorious Chicago: almost all murder here is confined to two specific neighborhoods. The rest of the city compares favorably to suburbia....and Europe has had its historical problems with genocide because the public was not able to defend itself. Our only comparable situation was Wounded Knee: "Give us your guns and you'll be safe," they told the Sioux. Right.
BTW_ homicide rates here went down in every single jurisdiction effected when gun laws were liberalized to allow concealed carry. Coincidence?
And the mind set of Europeans? They've been accustomed to working for the Emperor since the days of Caesar. They have no expectations of getting ahead, and you're only unhappy when you don't live up to your expectations. The real American Dream, which seems to have been forgotten lately, is to get out from under the heel of The Emperor and live free, doing things for yourself, not the govt.
Venezuela? Absurd? And whoever would have thunk the sistercius wouldn't always be the safest currency in the world?
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And when the witch takes your guns, then what. Will you stand and fight? Or just puss out and give them up like the other sheeple - until the gas chambers are built and you are standing at the door?
Joining late here but, no, USA is not Venezuela -- its more closer to -- Columbia.
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