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That's an extremely simplistic way to look at this. First of all, several state capitals are major cities which already trend liberal. Secondly, other state capitals also have large minority populations that tend to vote Democrat but they aren't necessarily liberal cities (e.g. Jackson, Montgomery, Baton Rogue, etc). Thirdly, everyone who works for the state doesn't live in the state capital. None of this is the same thing as saying that liberals tend to work government jobs.
I was about to chime in but you essentially covered it. I know AA families that vote solid Democrat but aren’t “liberal” by any means.
I will self identify as a racist, and will just for the sake of insight post here.I am looking to move to whiter areas in SC so we are quite opposites. I am also a died in the wool southerner. Now before anyone gets their knickers in a knot, let me explain. I was raised to love and judge people by their actions, not their gender pref. or race/skin color. Some of my best friends were black when I was younger and I am white. But as I have gotten older, 50+ and having a life event that forced me to live in a mixed community where white was the minority I became extremely racist. Though a nicer mixed area, the crimes were most definitely committed by the blacks and Hispanics and they took a certain joy in hating on, or not being friendly or helpful to the whites in the community. When I moved from there I have watched my town of 25+ years taken over by Mexicans/Hispanics (and my state FL) who are trashy, loud, don't speak English, breed like rabbits etc. as a collective whole (I am sure there are nice ones and clean ones) I have become racist. It took years but I now, sadly can call myself one with some guilt, as I was NOT raised that way, I was raised to believe that all humans are well, human and all should "get along". If you are going to live in America as an American, one should strive to speak FLUENT English without any heavy Hispanic accent, (I forgive the elders but anyone under 50 should know and always use fluent English outside their home.) I used to believe that we can all live together and work out our differences. What I have discovered is that there are cultural difference, including language, that is hard to break through those barriers. Hispanics are USUALLY unclean, have trashy yards, shop at disgusting Latino run groceries, and make a mess of those that cater to the white folks, they own lots of Chihuahuas and pit bulls (that they do not care well for), are very loud, very social (so expect your Hispanic neighbor's to have weekly get together that will block the entire street with cars and fill the air with noise.) Even the ones you meet as hospital workers, store clerks etc. are dirty, have no concept of not coughing sneezing or handwashing, and are rude to whites. So it becomes an endless circle, you get what you give. I think Hispanics need to stay in their own communities, the same with blacks and the same with whites. We have not evolved enough yet to all get along. And I did not move into mixed communities with this attitude! It happened with time and my hatred built with experience. But afterwards I left very much a racist. Would I still help another human in need no matter their race, you betcha. Would I want a Hispanic as a neighbor, no way. Though I am racist, I hope that really can happen SOMEDAY, that we all get along, but it will not be anytime soon. I hope you find what you are looking for, hopefully a community with your own kind. And I hope I can find the same for myself.
I will self identify as a racist, and will just for the sake of insight post here.I am looking to move to whiter areas in SC so we are quite opposites. I am also a died in the wool southerner. Now before anyone gets their knickers in a knot, let me explain. I was raised to love and judge people by their actions, not their gender pref. or race/skin color. Some of my best friends were black when I was younger and I am white. But as I have gotten older, 50+ and having a life event that forced me to live in a mixed community where white was the minority I became extremely racist. Though a nicer mixed area, the crimes were most definitely committed by the blacks and Hispanics and they took a certain joy in hating on, or not being friendly or helpful to the whites in the community. When I moved from there I have watched my town of 25+ years taken over by Mexicans/Hispanics (and my state FL) who are trashy, loud, don't speak English, breed like rabbits etc. as a collective whole (I am sure there are nice ones and clean ones) I have become racist. It took years but I now, sadly can call myself one with some guilt, as I was NOT raised that way, I was raised to believe that all humans are well, human and all should "get along". If you are going to live in America as an American, one should strive to speak FLUENT English without any heavy Hispanic accent, (I forgive the elders but anyone under 50 should know and always use fluent English outside their home.) I used to believe that we can all live together and work out our differences. What I have discovered is that there are cultural difference, including language, that is hard to break through those barriers. Hispanics are USUALLY unclean, have trashy yards, shop at disgusting Latino run groceries, and make a mess of those that cater to the white folks, they own lots of Chihuahuas and pit bulls (that they do not care well for), are very loud, very social (so expect your Hispanic neighbor's to have weekly get together that will block the entire street with cars and fill the air with noise.) Even the ones you meet as hospital workers, store clerks etc. are dirty, have no concept of not coughing sneezing or handwashing, and are rude to whites. So it becomes an endless circle, you get what you give. I think Hispanics need to stay in their own communities, the same with blacks and the same with whites. We have not evolved enough yet to all get along. And I did not move into mixed communities with this attitude! It happened with time and my hatred built with experience. But afterwards I left very much a racist. Would I still help another human in need no matter their race, you betcha. Would I want a Hispanic as a neighbor, no way. Though I am racist, I hope that really can happen SOMEDAY, that we all get along, but it will not be anytime soon. I hope you find what you are looking for, hopefully a community with your own kind. And I hope I can find the same for myself.
Hmmm. I suppose you could find some rural small town away from the urban areas, but I can't think of any that doesn't have more than one race. South Carolina isn't as behind as some think. I'm so sorry you feel this way. I've met great people in all races. I've met bad in all races. Including yours. Good luck.
I was about to chime in but you essentially covered it. I know AA families that vote solid Democrat but aren’t “liberal” by any means.
Actions speak louder than words. Being personally "not liberal," but voting for liberals who enact liberal policies makes you a liberal in everything but name.
Actions speak louder than words. Being personally "not liberal," but voting for liberals who enact liberal policies makes you a liberal in everything but name.
It's a complex topic, but plenty of blacks are economically liberal but socially conservative. In favor of big government, strong welfare state etc, but not big on LGBT/gender issues. For instance, the black vote was crucial to the passage of Prop 8 in California in 2008 which was meant to ban same sex marriage.
But most blacks are culturally wedded to the Democratic Party (like most Southern whites are culturally wedded to the Republican Party), so they generally tolerate/don't worry too much about the progressive social policy stuff that the national Party advances.
It's a complex topic, but plenty of blacks are economically liberal but socially conservative. In favor of big government, strong welfare state etc, but not big on LGBT/gender issues. For instance, the black vote was crucial to the passage of Prop 8 in California in 2008 which was meant to ban same sex marriage.
But most blacks are culturally wedded to the Democratic Party (like most Southern whites are culturally wedded to the Republican Party), so they generally tolerate/don't worry too much about the progressive social policy stuff that the national Party advances.
This is true. Although Blacks are slower to approve of gay marriage, we are more likely to sympathize with the LGBT community when it comes to the discrimination they face and that's why, in the past, you've seen Black state legislators and civic leaders in states like MS, GA, and NC oppose GOP efforts to put gay marriage referendums on the ballot and voice their concerns about so-called "bathroom" and "religious liberty" bills. Like you said, it's complex.
However, I think apart from that and immigration, Blacks' views when it comes to most other social issues are either about in line with the national average or are more liberal.
It's a complex topic, but plenty of blacks are economically liberal but socially conservative. In favor of big government, strong welfare state etc, but not big on LGBT/gender issues. For instance, the black vote was crucial to the passage of Prop 8 in California in 2008 which was meant to ban same sex marriage.
But most blacks are culturally wedded to the Democratic Party (like most Southern whites are culturally wedded to the Republican Party), so they generally tolerate/don't worry too much about the progressive social policy stuff that the national Party advances.
I don't disagree with what you write. But being personally socially conservative while voting for politicians who will vote to legalize leftist policies (you name it) makes you anything but. Again, actions speak louder than words.
I don't disagree with what you write. But being personally socially conservative while voting for politicians who will vote to legalize leftist policies (you name it) makes you anything but. Again, actions speak louder than words.
Again, that's an oversimplification of the dynamic at work. There are libertarians who have no issue at all with gay marriage, are pro-choice, and would like to see marijuana legalized but mostly vote Republican for economic reasons. That doesn't make those folks socially conservative; it just means there are other issues that factor into how they vote.
Again, that's an oversimplification of the dynamic at work. There are libertarians who have no issue at all with gay marriage, are pro-choice, and would like to see marijuana legalized but mostly vote Republican for economic reasons. That doesn't make those folks socially conservative; it just means there are other issues that factor into how they vote.
I don't think so. I don't care why you do what you do. Actions/results speak louder than feelings/words. Again, saying you're pro-choice personally means nothing if you vote for politicians who will and do put restrictions on abortion (and the reverse). Funny thing is that in many cases, in my experience, there are sometimes more conservative (socially) choices in primaries, yet such people (though they generally share the same non-social views as the other candidate(s)) are generally defeated as they aren't "liberal" enough. I have personally seen this in some of the majority black districts where I have lived.
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I suppose you could find some rural small town away from the urban areas, but I can't think of any that doesn't have more than one race. South Carolina isn't as behind as some think. I'm so sorry you feel this way. I've met great people in all races. I've met bad in all races. Including yours. Good luck.
