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Who cares? Geez! How could anyone possibly prove the actual numbers?
I think it's pretty amazing a state this size has two programs that have the stadium size they both do and attract the numbers they do on any given football Saturday.
I don't care, i'm simply discussing something that was asserted related to the topic of the thread. I think most SC and CU fans would be surprised to see somebody assert that USC is 'the state team' and SC fans 'dominate' the state. I talked to two other Clemson alumni about it today and they could not understand.
I'm expressing my view that is not the case and in my experience is appears to be evenly split.
I agree there is no way to prove the numbers.
I wouldn't mind at all if it was true.
i've always viewed SC-CU as a top 5 in state state rivalry and part of that is fact so many people in SC attended one of the two universities, or have family and friends who attended both schools, and many of the players know each other from their high school days.
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Nah, UNC and Duke pretty much split the state of NC, at least when it comes to basketball. It's one of the fiercest sports rivalries in the country.
My impression has always been that UNC basketball is WAY bigger than Duke basketball in the Tar Heel state.
UNC had a head start on Duke in terms of prestige and accomplishment. Carolina has a long and distinguished basketball history that dates back to the 40s and 50s. Duke's success is much more recent; they weren't much of a national powerhouse until the late 80s/early 90s. Carolina also produced that guy some people consider the GOAT athlete, so there's also that.
Carolina, as the larger school, also has many more alums throughout the state.
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In SC, Gamecock fans dominate the state. UGA dominates even the Atlanta area.
UF is the most popular team in Florida. The Trojans have a lock on Southern California. Surprisingly, Oregon dominates Northern California even though Stanford has fielded good teams in recent years.
From the NY times article associated with that map:
'like the other sets of maps, these were created using estimates of team support based on each team’s share of Facebook “likes” in a ZIP code. We then applied an algorithm to deal with statistical noise and fill in gaps where data was missing. Facebook “likes” are an imperfect measure, but as we’ve noted before, Facebook likes show broadly similar patterns to polls.'
NY Times has discussed another college team fan map that doesn't match up with this Facebook likes map:
From the NY times article associated with that map:
'like the other sets of maps, these were created using estimates of team support based on each team’s share of Facebook “likes” in a ZIP code. We then applied an algorithm to deal with statistical noise and fill in gaps where data was missing. Facebook “likes” are an imperfect measure, but as we’ve noted before, Facebook likes show broadly similar patterns to polls.'
NY Times has discussed another college team fan map that doesn't match up with this Facebook likes map:
So basically Clemson is at No.10 in the country between 1.7 to 1.8 million and South Carolina is at No.24 with around 1 to 1.1 million fans according to their calculations in that article. Around 700,000 the difference advantage Clemson.
That is what I meant by "state school." Obviously Clemson is a SC state school, as it is in SC, but it is not named after the state. In that map, every state is represented by the school with the state name in outside of NV, OH, UT, ID, IN, LA, CA, NC, KY, MA, and NJ (though Rutgers is "the University of New Jersey" in the technical sense). NY and PA are debatable as NYU and Penn operate in a different way than Syracuse and PSU.
That is what I meant by "dominate". The red dominates the maps more than the orange, but as I said, that does not mean USC Clemson is 80/20 or 75/25. It can be 55/45, which I personally think is more accurate, but regardless USC will have the edge.
My impression has always been that UNC basketball is WAY bigger than Duke basketball in the Tar Heel state.
UNC had a head start on Duke in terms of prestige and accomplishment. Carolina has a long and distinguished basketball history that dates back to the 40s and 50s. Duke's success is much more recent; they weren't much of a national powerhouse until the late 80s/early 90s. Carolina also produced that guy some people consider the GOAT athlete, so there's also that.
Carolina, as the larger school, also has many more alums throughout the state.
Oh UNC definitely has more alums as the state's flagship. But when I lived in Charlotte, my impression was that the fan base for basketball was more 50/50 split. But being that Charlotte is home to a lot more transplants, it may not be representative of the entire state.
I'm enjoying the thread. As a U of South Carolina alumni I find it interesting. I agree with earlier posters that it matters heavily on whose winning at the time. I am sure the upstate has more Clemson fans, Midlands (Columbia) has more USC fans, and low country (Charleston, Beaufort) has slightly more USC fans, but is split. I really hate to see so many Clemson fans over in the lowcountry and wonder where they all come from, and why they move from the upstate!
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