05-25-2013, 11:20 AM
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The data that I used has May 1979 rainfall of 16.81 inches and that is the record for the station out of 70 years of data I plot.
I remember them 2 days like it was today. I was in highscool and everything was flooded. Now that is my kind of weather.
05-25-2013, 01:33 PM
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Trip Explorer Tampa, USA : Weather Underground | Weather Underground
Scroll down to the bottom and you can see the recorded rainfall (and other pertinent information such as humidity and dewpoint) every day in May for the last several years. Please note that most May days had zero recorded precipitation. Only one of those recent Mays was moderately rainy, most were basically dry. That is normal.
Normal includes a range of conditions. Summer rains typically start sometime between late May and mid-June, but it is nevertheless within the range of normal for May to be completely dry or nearly so.
3.02" of rain is "normal" for May where we live. Have not received that much. Not even close. Not completely dry, thanks to that recent downpour when the dew point and temperature were proper to produce the storms, but not even close to 3".
You are correct that the second half of May is when it picks up, but that is sort of the basis of this thread. We were not getting to where we should be, even though so many have said, "just wait one more week"......for the last several weeks.
And it is not just actual rain that this thread is about. It is about dew points as well and right now they are INCREDIBLY low for this time of year. Steve Jerve had it right!
05-25-2013, 01:35 PM
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May indeed is dry compared to other months. But that doesn't mean we get nothing.
I just got the data for May for one of the longest station in Tampa Bay and plot a none exceedance probability. So, we don't need to fight how May has been looking historically
. The data shows.. that 50% of the time we don't get more than about 3 inches, 40% of the time we get 2 inches or less, and so on.
This is a GREAT chart showing just how much rain we "should normally" expect. Not quite the bone dry scenario some seem to think. Thanks for posting.
05-25-2013, 02:43 PM
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And he still thinks it's just dewpoints that make for T-storms. What about winter when dewpoints are just in the lower 60's and we still get strong storms? I guess lift and upper level energy play no part in it.
05-25-2013, 03:33 PM
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And he still thinks it's just dewpoints that make for T-storms . What about winter when dewpoints are just in the lower 60's and we still get strong storms? I guess lift and upper level energy play no part in it.
Sometimes you are factually correct on some things. Sometimes you are flat out incorrect on some things. Other times, you simply mislead.......which you just did here. And to prove that point, here is my post earlier on in the thread:
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This is pretty good "winter" weather, but I am looking forward to more typical weather. Six weeks ago people were telling me to just wait a month. Well that came and went and I'm still waiting. Don't get me wrong....the weather beats the crap out of the weather in the north, IMO, but I am and have been ready for what we came here for weatherwise..........nice and
warm and higher dew points.......which are some of .
So no, I do not think and have never said that it is JUST dew points that create thunderstorms.
It really would be nice to keep things factual and on point here, but I have kinda lost hope for that. I see other motives at play, so I will just leave that be.
05-25-2013, 04:00 PM
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You just can't face facts. You would never have any T-storms without lift, winter or summer.
05-25-2013, 04:07 PM
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I always love a good weather argument.
05-25-2013, 05:22 PM
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You just can't face facts. You would never have any T-storms without lift, winter or summer.
LOL!
Are you enjoying your false argument? Does making false posts about what I said make you feel more "right"? I even reposted where I stated dew points and temps are only "some of" the ingredients.....yet you continue an argument which does not exist. This thread is about the temp and dew point "portion" of the elements.
Do you think people can't read what was posted on their own? Wake up daughter!
You can continue your false argument if that makes you feel better, but you are on your own. The posts are there for people to clearly see.
I totally understand Mike more than ever now. Have a wonderful evening.
05-26-2013, 08:18 AM
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3.02" of rain is "normal" for May where we live. Have not received that much. Not even close. Not completely dry, thanks to that recent downpour when the dew point and temperature were proper to produce the storms, but not even close to 3".
There is a difference between "average" and "normal". "Average" is a mathematical figure which can be skewed by extreme outlying conditions. Such as the way unusually rainy years skew the average up in a month which is generally pretty dry. So far Tampa International has recorded almost 2 inches which is well within the range of normal.
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You are correct that the second half of May is when it picks up, but that is sort of the basis of this thread. We were not getting to where we should be, even though so many have said, "just wait one more week"......for the last several weeks.
Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't start until the middle of June. It is "normal" for the summer rains to begin sometime between mid-May and mid-June. If we get to the end of June and the rains still haven't started, that would be abnormal.
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And it is not just actual rain that this thread is about. It is about dew points as well and right now they are INCREDIBLY low for this time of year. Steve Jerve had it right!
You should look at the dataset that I posted a link to. The dewpoints we are having are perfectly normal.
05-26-2013, 03:50 PM
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The dewpoints we are having are perfectly normal.
This is 100% factually incorrect. Palm Harbor's dew point this weekend is only 55 degrees. The average for this time of year is close to 70 degrees. The dew points are WAY below normal. If you believe they are normal, you may want to give Steve Jerve a call and let him know his doesn't know what he is talking about.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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