12-04-2013, 03:01 PM
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Major League Soccer names Orlando City SC as 21st franchise, set for 2015 debut | MLSsoccer.com
The Tampa Bay Rowdies are currently in the NASL, the 2nd tier of the American soccer pyramid below the MLS and above the USL. The Rowdies not only have the most rabid fan base in the NASL, they also won the North American cup in 2012. On top of that they have defeated top MLS teams in Gold Cup games, and beaten English Premier League teams in friendly matches.
Well Major League Soccer had decided to expand to Florida, and they have chosen to promote lowly Orlando City instead of Tampa Bay Rowdies. Orlando is making the jump over the NASL and straight to MLS, seems unfair to me.
Two main reasons I see the move happening is that Orlando City plays in the Citrus Bowl, a much more "major league" style stadium than Al Lang (current home of the Rowdies). The other reason being that the MLS had already had franchises in Tampa Bay and Miami that have failed, so now why not try Orlando.
Either way I think we were robbed. Wouldn't we all have enjoyed having a soccer team to route for, its a very niche sport in America but the cultural following is enormous and fits the St. Pete lifestyle perfectly.
12-04-2013, 03:19 PM
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Agree - it would be great to see Rowdies in the MLS. As you say, the main reason is probably the Al Lang stadium, which is not supposed to be hosting soccer games...
12-04-2013, 03:56 PM
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Major League Soccer names Orlando City SC as 21st franchise, set for 2015 debut | MLSsoccer.com
The Tampa Bay Rowdies are currently in the NASL, the 2nd tier of the American soccer pyramid below the MLS and above the USL. The Rowdies not only have the most rabid fan base in the NASL, they also won the North American cup in 2012. On top of that they have defeated top MLS teams in Gold Cup games, and beaten English Premier League teams in friendly matches.
Well Major League Soccer had decided to expand to Florida, and they have chosen to promote lowly Orlando City instead of Tampa Bay Rowdies. Orlando is making the jump over the NASL and straight to MLS, seems unfair to me.
Two main reasons I see the move happening is that Orlando City plays in the Citrus Bowl, a much more "major league" style stadium than Al Lang (current home of the Rowdies). The other reason being that the MLS had already had franchises in Tampa Bay and Miami that have failed, so now why not try Orlando.
Either way I think we were robbed. Wouldn't we all have enjoyed having a soccer team to route for, its a very niche sport in America but the cultural following is enormous and fits the St. Pete lifestyle perfectly.
MLS has been very careful about expanding, why would they go to Tampa, like you stated the Mutiny failed, not to mention the attendance at rays games has been dismal.
12-05-2013, 06:16 AM
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Orlando will fail even worse.
12-05-2013, 07:49 AM
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Orlando will fail even worse.
dont think so
12-05-2013, 08:30 AM
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dont think so
How so? The traffic is worse and the only reason anyone goes to Orlando is for the tourism aspect. I doubt many tourists are going to be interested in going to the local soccer game.
12-05-2013, 09:20 AM
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How so? The traffic is worse and the only reason anyone goes to Orlando is for the tourism aspect. I doubt many tourists are going to be interested in going to the local soccer game.
The Magic consistently ranks in the bottom 30% of attendance and you are talking about a smaller arena, Orlando is so spread out, their hope would be from the suburbs to come in for the games and if we are talking about the Citrus Bowl I doubt people would want to go into the belly of the beast in a traffic sense, not to mention the area around there is rough. they would be better putting the stadium on the suburbs than downtown especially since they don't have a significant mass transit system.
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If your Rowdies played at Al Lang stadium wouldnt that be St Petes team rather than Tampas team?
12-05-2013, 09:36 AM
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The Magic consistently ranks in the bottom 30% of attendance and you are talking about a smaller arena, Orlando is so spread out, their hope would be from the suburbs to come in for the games and if we are talking about the Citrus Bowl I doubt people would want to go into the belly of the beast in a traffic sense, not to mention the area around there is rough. they would be better putting the stadium on the suburbs than downtown especially since they don't have a significant mass transit system.
Spot on, and let's not forget Orlando ranks near the bottom of the pile of major metro areas in terms of Disposable Income Per Capita.
12-05-2013, 10:09 AM
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The Magic consistently ranks in the bottom 30% of attendance and you are talking about a smaller arena,
No. Not even with one of the worst records in team history do the Magic have a serious problem with attendance. I think if I we're you, I'd do some more research before trying to discredit how Orlando supports it's team.
2012-2013 NBA Attendance - National Basketball Association - ESPN
Now if you wanna talk about a city that doesn't show up to support it's teams, then I suggest Tampa look in the mirror. Just Google Bucs and the stories will show up about tv blackouts and possible relo talks, something the Magic have no worries about. But here, stats are always better:
2013 NFL Football Attendance - National Football League - ESPN
What's that, the Rays are really good you say and I should have quoted their numbers because certainly they'll be atop the struggling baseball world. Oh wait, nevermind
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2013 MLB Attendance - Major League Baseball - ESPN
Hey, there's always the Lightning, which are the only team in Tampa that pulls what it should.
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DUNNDFRNT
Orlando is so spread out, their hope would be from the suburbs to come in for the games and if we are talking about the Citrus Bowl I doubt people would want to go into the belly of the beast in a traffic sense, not to mention the area around there is rough. they would be better putting the stadium on the suburbs than downtown especially since they don't have a significant mass transit system.
Now onto your next ridiculous point. So hows that working out for you in Tampa having your Rays across the Bay and your Bucs out off Dale Mabry? But then again, if Orlando's downtown was as lackluster as Tampa's then I'd probably feel the same way about putting the stadium in the suburbs. But thankfully, it's not. We've been improving our downtown and keeping the NBA arena there and building the soccer stadium there were bottom lines for the mayor and many civic leaders. Even when a super rich hotelier tried to lure the Magic to I-drive down by the attractions, the locals and city combined, and fought to keep our team in our city core. ...shows how much (rather little) you know about Orlando
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romes591
Two main reasons I see the move happening is that Orlando City plays in the Citrus Bowl, a much more "major league" style stadium than Al Lang (current home of the Rowdies). The other reason being that the MLS had already had franchises in Tampa Bay and Miami that have failed, so now why not try Orlando.
Well actually building a much much smaller capacity soccer specific stadium was part of the deal that landed Orlando the MLS. Question, how do you feel you we're robbed. You guys already were given a shake by the MLS and it didn't pan out. Orlando did everything right from getting the right sponsors onboard, to getting the word out, to securing everything needed to earn this franchise. So while I do feel sorry that your team didn't make it, your post tries to negate all the hard work this community did to earn it's 2nd true major league sport.
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jsun556
Orlando will fail even worse.
Only time will tell, but I'd have to say that I wouldn't root for anything in Tampa to fail. I'm actually taken back by all the negativity directed to Orlando for doing something great. It speaks jealously to me, which is just silly. I'd love an NHL team but I'm not hoping for the Lightning to fail
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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