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Old 07-27-2013, 12:44 PM
 
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Nutley has the MAXIMUM (top of the guide, usually over 20 years of experience) salary for a teacher with a BA as 79K. I have said it before, DU frequently misreports experience, either as step or more frequently years in district.
Even if that is the case, that's not bad at all. With just a bachelors.

80K after 20 years of experience. That's just about where us engineers are.
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Old 07-27-2013, 12:45 PM
 
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My husband has a BS in engineering and no master's, and makes almost twice what anyone on that chart makes. And you don't know the degrees of the people on the charts, so it's hardly a scientific study.
Software is a completely different animal. They can make more than anesthesiologists.

I can assure you the rest of us engineers make much less.
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Old 07-27-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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Ok enough of this nonsense.

AVERAGE engineering salary in the country of any degree is $103,497. Not highest, AVERAGE.


https://www.asme.org/career-educatio...es-on-the-rise

Even in the state with the highest salaries, NY, the average isn't even quite $70K

NEA - State by State Salary Listings

BTW, those numbers are from the associations of both professions. Can we move on now please?
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Old 07-27-2013, 12:49 PM
 
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Even if that is the case, that's not bad at all. With just a bachelors.

80K after 20 years of experience. That's just about where us engineers are.
Completely not true according to the ASCE and ASME.

https://www.asme.org/career-educatio...es-on-the-rise

Even here in NJ the median salary for an engineer is $95K compared to $66K for a teacher.

Teacher Salaries By State | Average Salaries For Teachers | Beginning Salaries For Teachers | Teacher Raises | TeacherPortal.com
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Old 07-27-2013, 12:59 PM
 
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Ok enough of this nonsense.

AVERAGE engineering salary in the country of any degree is $103,497. Not highest, AVERAGE.


https://www.asme.org/career-educatio...es-on-the-rise

Even in the state with the highest salaries, NY, the average isn't even quite $70K

NEA - State by State Salary Listings

BTW, those numbers are from the associations of both professions. Can we move on now please?
Haha. I do agree this is a fruitless argument.

Perhaps teachers should picket against the inequity in between different districts. I know if I was an English teacher making 55K and some teacher a few towns over was making 85K with the same amount of experience and education, I'd be pissed. You're basically doing the same thing.

I can tell you that there isn't THAT much inequity between pay between private engineering companies at least in MY field. There's a going rate for non-managerial roles and a certain amount of experience.
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Old 07-27-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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Haha. I do agree this is a fruitless argument.

Perhaps teachers should picket against the inequity in between different districts. I know if I was an English teacher making 55K and some teacher a few towns over was making 85K with the same amount of experience and education, I'd be pissed. You're basically doing the same thing.

I can tell you that there isn't THAT much inequity between pay between private engineering companies at least in MY field. There's a going rate for non-managerial roles and a certain amount of experience.
It isn't fruitless, you are just wrong.

Engineers as a whole make more than teachers even when controlling for the 30-40 days a year and degrees held. That isn't an opinion, its a FACT, support by the professional organizations of both professions.

So yes, teachers make low salaries. Not the lowest of jobs that require a college degree, that would probably be social workers but still low.
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Old 07-27-2013, 02:24 PM
 
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It isn't fruitless, you are just wrong.

Engineers as a whole make more than teachers even when controlling for the 30-40 days a year and degrees held. That isn't an opinion, its a FACT, support by the professional organizations of both professions.

So yes, teachers make low salaries. Not the lowest of jobs that require a college degree, that would probably be social workers but still low.
That may be so.

But if I were you, I'd be looking to get into one of those 90K districts instead of so adamantly pursuing your point. Keep in mind, these are completely non-managerial positions and the pay listings speak for themselves. I'm going to look into it myself.

Or maybe you are already getting paid really well.

BTW, a funny thing is I ran across my friend's brothers name in one of the school districts and I remember him telling me his brother makes good $. He makes way more than his brother, who has more education.
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Old 07-27-2013, 02:53 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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You can't play the COL card IMO. I live in the same area, make less than you, and living can be fairly cheap here if you live in a cheaper town.

So, we'll go with Nutley.

NJ Teacher Results

Teachers can expect to make 70-90K with 10 years of experience.
This game again.
DOCTOR Peter Smith has a PhD and his salary includes teaching hours at Seton Hall and UMDNJ. He also coaches two sports.
Chris Rosati handles all after school testing. So, just a teacher, but likely has a -lot- of extra contract hours. (Might be department head too. Seems to rotate with one other person.)
Rose Cioffi is the school nurse.
Eric Puzio is the head hockey coach and a baseball coach.
Debra Piacentini runs manages two school owned businesses in addition to her teaching duties.
Deane Stepansky is another teacher who splits time at Seton Hall (and is also a Princeton Distinguished teacher)
Leann Martin is the district mathematics coordinator.
Nicole David is just a teacher.
Kent Bania is the district science coordinator.
Lisa Cassilli is an anti-bully specialist and substance abuse coordinator.

So, you improved. This time you had 6 teachers out of 10 people. And one of them was actually just a teacher with no extraordinary duties adding to their hours and salary. You should try actually finding people by their positions rather than by their salaries.
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Old 07-27-2013, 02:58 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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But if I were you, I'd be looking to get into one of those 90K districts instead of so adamantly pursuing your point. Keep in mind, these are completely non-managerial positions and the pay listings speak for themselves.
No, they aren't. Over half are some level of managerial position, and nearly all of them have extra duties that push the number of duty hours much much higher.
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Old 07-27-2013, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I quoted three, one of which a poster who is a teacher her/himself gave me.

Here's a 4th that pays a bit lower...

NJ Teacher Results

You can expect to make 65K with a Masters and 13 years of experience which is not too damn bad.

So, get a teaching license and get on the gravy train.
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