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Old 05-29-2017, 02:20 PM
 
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25% of the teachers in your school provide inservice opportunities for other teachers in your school? I'm sorry, but I am totally skeptical of that claim.
It was a really big push from our previous administration... I was brand new and yet he still had me giving classes on socratic seminars on PLC days. It's about creating a culture.

Not all the mentorship is that formal but it is certainly there.
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Old 05-29-2017, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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It was a really big push from our previous administration... I was brand new and yet he still had me giving classes on socratic seminars on PLC days. It's about creating a culture.

Not all the mentorship is that formal but it is certainly there.
Well, okay. Maybe under that circumstance I can see it happening.

Now, while good, I see a weakness in that. Can you see the weakness (it's related to the original post)?
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Old 05-29-2017, 02:29 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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And the question is -- what do we educators do about it?
Gov. Schwarzenegger labelled teachers' unions "special interests", and refused to cave to their concerns. Meanwhile, in New Mexico, Gov. Richardson raised teacher pay statewide. And it still wasn't enough to retain desperately-needed new teachers. There's a chronic shortfall of hundreds of teachers in NM annually. Some states can't afford to pay teachers adequately without raising taxes, which seems to be a political third-rail issue.

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Old 05-29-2017, 02:44 PM
 
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And the question is -- what do we educators do about it?
That I can't answer completely. There are several ideas/theories.

I think a huge issue is that historically teachers were more like indentured servants. They only needed one year of teacher's college, they travelled and lived with local families, and were paid very little. Looking back, it surprises me anyone even wanted to do it.

I had a discussion with a woman from Ohio (one of the larger cities) who swore teachers made $75K on average and she was convinced that teachers were way overpaid.

Even when I showed her the teacher scale for her local district, she insisted someone had told her they made more, so it must be true.

There is a perception out there, and unfortunately it comes from the leaders in this country, that teachers are overpaid, don't do much, and whine a lot. Changing that perception is extremely difficult I am afraid.
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Old 05-29-2017, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Gov. Schwarzenegger declared teachers' unions "special interests", and refused to cave to their concerns. Meanwhile, in New Mexico, Gov. Richardson raised teacher pay statewide. And it still wasn't enough to retain desperately-needed new teachers. There's a chronic shortfall of hundreds of teachers in NM annually. Some states can't afford to pay teachers adequately without raising taxes, which seems to be a political third-rail issue.
Teachers are not underpaid in many cases. I know we all would love to see them paid better but we have to realize the number of hours they work and let's not go into the cry about them bringing work home, putting in extra hours etc. I know to many teachers, both in the family and friends to know, for the most part this is not the case. As for NM, anyone who is honest and has lived there, i know you did, knows there is more to not being able to retain teachers. Salary is a small part, the overall environment in NM and the lack of respect of many for anyone, teachers included makes it hard to recruit good teachers and then to keep them. tottea
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Old 05-29-2017, 02:54 PM
 
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That I can't answer completely. There are several ideas/theories.

I think a huge issue is that historically teachers were more like indentured servants. They only needed one year of teacher's college, they travelled and lived with local families, and were paid very little. Looking back, it surprises me anyone even wanted to do it.
Back then, it was the only respectable job venue available to women. The alternatives were: cleaning woman or laundress. The sciences and medicine weren't open to women, though there were rare exceptional cases of women doctors. Nurses often were volunteers.
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Old 05-29-2017, 02:56 PM
 
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Teachers are not underpaid in many cases. I know we all would love to see them paid better but we have to realize the number of hours they work and let's not go into the cry about them bringing work home, putting in extra hours etc. I know to many teachers, both in the family and friends to know, for the most part this is not the case. As for NM, anyone who is honest and has lived there, i know you did, knows there is more to not being able to retain teachers. Salary is a small part, the overall environment in NM and the lack of respect of many for anyone, teachers included makes it hard to recruit good teachers and then to keep them. tottea
Sorry, I don't know what you're referring to, here. Could you elaborate?
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Old 05-29-2017, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The reason that I do not respect public school teachers is based on their refusal to reform the teacher's Union. Here in Los Angeles there was a teacher who fed cookies to his students topped with his own "bodily fluids" and the Union defended him and wouldn't allow him to be fired. They had to pay him $ 60,000 to get rid of him. The Union routinely protects bad teachers here which is one reason that sending your kid to an LAUSD school is tantamount to child abuse in my opinion.
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Old 05-29-2017, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The reason that I do not respect public school teachers is based on their refusal to reform the teacher's Union. Here in Los Angeles there was a teacher who fed cookies to his students topped with his own "bodily fluids" and the Union defended him and wouldn't allow him to be fired. They had to pay him $ 60,000 to get rid of him. The Union routinely protects bad teachers here which is one reason that sending your kid to an LAUSD school is tantamount to child abuse in my opinion.
I think as educators we should admit that there are cases like the one Mike pointed out which should not be excused. And yes, teachers unions sometimes protect those who should not be protected. Although, if a school/school system administrator can't fire a teacher, then that school/school system administrator isn't doing their job...or the teacher shouldn't be fired.

But now I have to ask you, Mike...what's your job or profession?
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Old 05-29-2017, 03:22 PM
 
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And the question is -- what do we educators do about it?
Apparently, we go into administration if we find that even marginally palatable, or we exit the field for something more rewarding.
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